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	==Who's obligated?==		==Who's obligated?==
	# Some say that [[Women]] are exempt from beating the [[Aravot]]. <ref> Chazon Ovadyah ([[Sukkot]] pg 443). See also Sh"t Rav Pealim 1:Kuntres Sod Yesharim:12 </ref> Some say that women should also beat the aravot.<ref>Nitai Gavriel Sukkot 77:15</ref>		# Some say that [[Women]] are exempt from beating the [[Aravot]]. <ref> Chazon Ovadyah ([[Sukkot]] pg 443), [http://www.doresh-tzion.co.il/QAShowAnswer.aspx?qaid=102226 Chacham Benzion Mussafi]. See also Sh"t Rav Pealim 1:Kuntres Sod Yesharim:12 </ref> Some say that women should also beat the aravot.<ref>Nitai Gavriel Sukkot 77:15</ref>

	==Reasons for the Custom==		==Reasons for the Custom==
	# Some view the beating of the Aravot as a ritual of atonement, and interpret Hoshana Rabba as a day of final judgment and forgiveness. Beating the branches symbolizes, and mystically brings about a sweetening of the Divine attribute of justice.<ref>Zohar Parshat Tzav (end of 31b)</ref> Since the aravot symbolize the mouth by beating the aravot we are praying that the mouth of the prosecuting angels are closed.<ref>Chazon Ovadia Sukkot p. 441 based on the Zohar</ref>		# Some view the beating of the Aravot as a ritual of atonement, and interpret Hoshana Rabba as a day of final judgment and forgiveness. Beating the branches symbolizes, and mystically brings about a sweetening of the Divine attribute of justice.<ref>Zohar Parshat Tzav (end of 31b)</ref> Since the aravot symbolize the mouth by beating the aravot we are praying that the mouth of the prosecuting angels are closed.<ref>Chazon Ovadia Sukkot p. 441 based on the Zohar</ref>
	# A recent view believes that the beating of the Aravot is a re-enactment of a prophecy delivered and acted out by the prophet Chagai on the 21st of Tishrei (i.e. on Hoshana Rabba) in which Chagai assured Jews that God would ultimately overturn the nations of the world and redeem Israel and the Temple.<ref>See Chagai 2:1-9 and see article by Steven Weiner entitled "What Did the Willows Ever Do to Deserve Such a Beating? An Original Explanation for a Perplexing Custom" found here: http://seforim.blogspot.com/2015/09/what-did-willows-ever-do-to-deserve.html</ref>		# A recent view believes that the beating of the Aravot is a re-enactment of a prophecy delivered and acted out by the prophet Chagai on the 21st of Tishrei (i.e. on Hoshana Rabba) in which Chagai assured Jews that God would ultimately overturn the nations of the world and redeem Israel and the Temple.<ref>See Chagai 2:1-9 and see article by Steven Weiner entitled "What Did the Willows Ever Do to Deserve Such a Beating? An Original Explanation for a Perplexing Custom" found here: http://seforim.blogspot.com/2015/09/what-did-willows-ever-do-to-deserve.html</ref>

			==Links==
			* [https://www.ou.org/torah/mitzvot/meaning-in-mitzvot/beating_the_aravot/ Beating the Aravot] by Rabbi Asher Meir

	==Sources==		==Sources==

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	# One should shake the aravot before beating them.<ref>Rama 664:4, Chayei Adam 153:3</ref>		# One should shake the aravot before beating them.<ref>Rama 664:4, Chayei Adam 153:3</ref>

	~~==Who's obligated?==~~
	~~# [[Women]] are exempt from beating the [[Aravot]]. <ref> Chazon Ovadyah ([[Sukkot]] pg 443). See also Sh"t Rav Pealim 1:Kuntres Sod Yesharim:12 </ref>~~
	==Which Aravot are fit?==		==Which Aravot are fit?==
	# The [[Aravot]] used for beating the [[Aravot]] must be fit for shaking the [[four minim]]. <ref> Rama 664:4, Chazon Ovadyah ([[Sukkot]] pg 443) </ref>		# The [[Aravot]] used for beating the [[Aravot]] must be fit for shaking the [[four minim]]. <ref> Rama 664:4, Chazon Ovadyah ([[Sukkot]] pg 443) </ref>
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	# Most poskim believe that there is no reason to beat the aravot until all of the leaves fall off.<ref>Ben Ish Chai (Vezot Habracha no. 7), Chayei Adam 153:3</ref>		# Most poskim believe that there is no reason to beat the aravot until all of the leaves fall off.<ref>Ben Ish Chai (Vezot Habracha no. 7), Chayei Adam 153:3</ref>
	# The aravot should be beaten on the ground and not a paved area.<ref>Ben Ish Chai (Vezot Habracha no. 7)</ref>		# The aravot should be beaten on the ground and not a paved area.<ref>Ben Ish Chai (Vezot Habracha no. 7)</ref>

			==Who's obligated?==
			# Some say that [[Women]] are exempt from beating the [[Aravot]]. <ref> Chazon Ovadyah ([[Sukkot]] pg 443). See also Sh"t Rav Pealim 1:Kuntres Sod Yesharim:12 </ref> Some say that women should also beat the aravot.<ref>Nitai Gavriel Sukkot 77:15</ref>

	==Reasons for the Custom==		==Reasons for the Custom==

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	# The aravot should initially be nice in order to fulfill hiddur mitzvah. However, as long as they have a single leaf on them they are fit.<ref>Shulchan Aruch and Rama OC 664:4. Mishna Brurah 664:17 explains that the aravot should initially have 3 or 5 groups of leaves.</ref>		# The aravot should initially be nice in order to fulfill hiddur mitzvah. However, as long as they have a single leaf on them they are fit.<ref>Shulchan Aruch and Rama OC 664:4. Mishna Brurah 664:17 explains that the aravot should initially have 3 or 5 groups of leaves.</ref>
	# The custom is to tie the aravot together for the procedure of beating the aravot.<ref>Birkei Yosef 664:4, Mishna Brurah 664:17. Chayei Adam 153:3 adds that it is nice to tie them together with a piece of the lulav.</ref>		# The custom is to tie the aravot together for the procedure of beating the aravot.<ref>Birkei Yosef 664:4, Mishna Brurah 664:17. Chayei Adam 153:3 adds that it is nice to tie them together with a piece of the lulav.</ref>
	# If necessary, it is permissible to use the two [[aravot]] that were tied to your [[lulav]] once you have fulfilled that mitzva, for the beating and removed the [[aravot]] from the tie. <ref> Mishna Brurah 664:21 as well as Chazon Ovadia Succot pg. 442 say that although Shulchan Aruch 664:6 holds like the gemara [[sukkah]] 44b that you cannot be yotzei with the [[aravot]] with the [[lulav]], that's only talking about when the [[aravot]] are still tied to the [[lulav]]. In addition, this is not a problem of maalin bakodesh viein moridin (we go up in holiness and don't go down) because the Mordechai says that's only referring to items that are holy and not items that are just used for a mitzva. Yalkut Yosef Moadim pg. 183, Sh"t Yechave Daat 3:48, Beit Yosef Yoreh Deah 259 and Shach 259:11 hold like this. </ref>		# If necessary, it is permissible to use the two [[aravot]] that were tied to your [[lulav]] once you have fulfilled that mitzva, for the beating and removed the [[aravot]] from the tie. <ref> Mishna Brurah 664:21 as well as Chazon Ovadia Succot pg. 442 say that although Shulchan Aruch 664:6 holds like the gemara [[sukkah]] 44b that you cannot be yotzei with the [[aravot]] with the [[lulav]], that's only talking about when the [[aravot]] are still tied to the [[lulav]]. Nitai Gavriel 77:10 agrees. In addition, this is not a problem of maalin bakodesh viein moridin (we go up in holiness and don't go down) because the Mordechai says that's only referring to items that are holy and not items that are just used for a mitzva. Yalkut Yosef Moadim pg. 183, Sh"t Yechave Daat 3:48, Beit Yosef Yoreh Deah 259 and Shach 259:11 hold like this. </ref>
	# If necessary, one can pass his [[aravot]] that he used to beat on the ground to a friend to fulfill his obligation as well as long as most of the leaves are still on the branch. <ref> Sh"t Yechave Daat 3:48 </ref>		# If necessary, one can pass his [[aravot]] that he used to beat on the ground to a friend to fulfill his obligation as well as long as most of the leaves are still on the branch. <ref> Sh"t Yechave Daat 3:48 </ref>
	# The minimum length for an [[aravah]] branch for beating is 3 [[tefachim]], like it is for the [[aravah]] for the mitzva with [[lulav]]. <ref> Shulchan Aruch 664:4, Nitai Gavriel Sukkot 77:4, Chazon Ovadia [[Sukkot]] pg. 443 </ref>		# The minimum length for an [[aravah]] branch for beating is 3 [[tefachim]], like it is for the [[aravah]] for the mitzva with [[lulav]]. <ref> Shulchan Aruch 664:4, Nitai Gavriel Sukkot 77:4, Chazon Ovadia [[Sukkot]] pg. 443 </ref>

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	# The [[Aravot]] used for beating the [[Aravot]] must be fit for shaking the [[four minim]]. <ref> Rama 664:4, Chazon Ovadyah ([[Sukkot]] pg 443) </ref>		# The [[Aravot]] used for beating the [[Aravot]] must be fit for shaking the [[four minim]]. <ref> Rama 664:4, Chazon Ovadyah ([[Sukkot]] pg 443) </ref>
	# The aravot should initially be nice in order to fulfill hiddur mitzvah. However, as long as they have a single leaf on them they are fit.<ref>Shulchan Aruch and Rama OC 664:4. Mishna Brurah 664:17 explains that the aravot should initially have 3 or 5 groups of leaves.</ref>		# The aravot should initially be nice in order to fulfill hiddur mitzvah. However, as long as they have a single leaf on them they are fit.<ref>Shulchan Aruch and Rama OC 664:4. Mishna Brurah 664:17 explains that the aravot should initially have 3 or 5 groups of leaves.</ref>
	# The custom is to tie the aravot together for the procedure of beating the aravot.<ref>Mishna Brurah 664:17. Chayei Adam 153:3 adds that it is nice to tie them together with a piece of the lulav.</ref>		# The custom is to tie the aravot together for the procedure of beating the aravot.<ref>Birkei Yosef 664:4, Mishna Brurah 664:17. Chayei Adam 153:3 adds that it is nice to tie them together with a piece of the lulav.</ref>
	# If necessary, it is permissible to use the two [[aravot]] that were tied to your [[lulav]] once you have fulfilled that mitzva, for the beating and removed the [[aravot]] from the tie. <ref> Mishna Brurah 664:21 as well as Chazon Ovadia Succot pg. 442 say that although Shulchan Aruch 664:6 holds like the gemara [[sukkah]] 44b that you cannot be yotzei with the [[aravot]] with the [[lulav]], that's only talking about when the [[aravot]] are still tied to the [[lulav]]. In addition, this is not a problem of maalin bakodesh viein moridin (we go up in holiness and don't go down) because the Mordechai says that's only referring to items that are holy and not items that are just used for a mitzva. Yalkut Yosef Moadim pg. 183, Sh"t Yechave Daat 3:48, Beit Yosef Yoreh Deah 259 and Shach 259:11 hold like this. </ref>		# If necessary, it is permissible to use the two [[aravot]] that were tied to your [[lulav]] once you have fulfilled that mitzva, for the beating and removed the [[aravot]] from the tie. <ref> Mishna Brurah 664:21 as well as Chazon Ovadia Succot pg. 442 say that although Shulchan Aruch 664:6 holds like the gemara [[sukkah]] 44b that you cannot be yotzei with the [[aravot]] with the [[lulav]], that's only talking about when the [[aravot]] are still tied to the [[lulav]]. In addition, this is not a problem of maalin bakodesh viein moridin (we go up in holiness and don't go down) because the Mordechai says that's only referring to items that are holy and not items that are just used for a mitzva. Yalkut Yosef Moadim pg. 183, Sh"t Yechave Daat 3:48, Beit Yosef Yoreh Deah 259 and Shach 259:11 hold like this. </ref>
	# If necessary, one can pass his [[aravot]] that he used to beat on the ground to a friend to fulfill his obligation as well as long as most of the leaves are still on the branch. <ref> Sh"t Yechave Daat 3:48 </ref>		# If necessary, one can pass his [[aravot]] that he used to beat on the ground to a friend to fulfill his obligation as well as long as most of the leaves are still on the branch. <ref> Sh"t Yechave Daat 3:48 </ref>

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	# It is our custom on [[Hoshana Rabba]] morning after [[mussaf]] to beat five [[aravot]] on the floor five times. <ref> Chazon Ovadia [[Sukkot]] pg. 440, Yalkut Yosef Moadim pg. 183, Shaar Hakavanot 105a. Chayei Adam 153:3 writes that although there's really no fixed number of aravot necessary the proper custom is to use five.</ref>		# It is our custom on [[Hoshana Rabba]] morning after [[mussaf]] to beat five [[aravot]] on the floor five times. <ref> Chazon Ovadia [[Sukkot]] pg. 440, Yalkut Yosef Moadim pg. 183, Shaar Hakavanot 105a. Chayei Adam 153:3 writes that although there's really no fixed number of aravot necessary the proper custom is to use five.</ref>
	# We hold like the opinion in the gemara that the beating of the [[aravot]] is a minhag neviim, and therefore there is no bracha recited on it. <ref> This argument about whether its a minhag neviim or yesod neviim appears in Gemara Sukkah 44a-b. Rashi there explains the practical difference between these opinion is whether or not we say a bracha. The Rambam (Sukkah 7:22) writes that since we hold that beating the aravot is only a minhag we do not recite a bracha. Shulchan Aruch OC 664:2 agrees. </ref> Additionally, in the shem yichud the text should read minhag neviim and not yesod neviim.<ref>Chazon Ovadia Sukkot p. 440</ref>		# We hold like the opinion in the gemara that the beating of the [[aravot]] is a minhag neviim, and therefore there is no bracha recited on it. <ref> This argument about whether its a minhag neviim or yesod neviim appears in Gemara Sukkah 44a-b. Rashi there explains the practical difference between these opinion is whether or not we say a bracha. The Rambam (Sukkah 7:22) writes that since we hold that beating the aravot is only a minhag we do not recite a bracha. Shulchan Aruch OC 664:2 agrees. </ref> Additionally, in the shem yichud the text should read minhag neviim and not yesod neviim.<ref>Chazon Ovadia Sukkot p. 440</ref>
	# ~~Some say that one~~ should shake the aravot before beating them.<ref>Chayei Adam 153:3</ref>		# One should shake the aravot before beating them.<ref>Rama 664:4, Chayei Adam 153:3</ref>

	==Who's obligated?==		==Who's obligated?==

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	==Beating the Aravot==		==Beating the Aravot==
	# It is our custom on [[Hoshana Rabba]] morning after [[mussaf]] to beat five [[aravot]] on the floor five times. <ref> Chazon Ovadia [[Sukkot]] pg. 440, Yalkut Yosef Moadim pg. 183, Shaar Hakavanot ~~105A~~</ref>		# It is our custom on [[Hoshana Rabba]] morning after [[mussaf]] to beat five [[aravot]] on the floor five times. <ref> Chazon Ovadia [[Sukkot]] pg. 440, Yalkut Yosef Moadim pg. 183, Shaar Hakavanot 105a. Chayei Adam 153:3 writes that although there's really no fixed number of aravot necessary the proper custom is to use five.</ref>
	#We hold like the opinion in the gemara that the beating of the [[aravot]] is a minhag neviim, and therefore there is no ~~beracha~~ recited on it. <ref> This argument about whether its a minhag neviim or yesod neviim appears ~~on succa~~ 44a-b. Rashi there ~~says~~ the practical difference ~~halachically~~ is whether or not we say a ~~beracha, meaning~~ since we hold ~~its~~ minhag ~~therefore~~ we ~~don't~~ say the ~~beracha~~. ~~Rambam Hilchot Succa 7~~:22 </ref>		# We hold like the opinion in the gemara that the beating of the [[aravot]] is a minhag neviim, and therefore there is no bracha recited on it. <ref> This argument about whether its a minhag neviim or yesod neviim appears in Gemara Sukkah 44a-b. Rashi there explains the practical difference between these opinion is whether or not we say a bracha. The Rambam (Sukkah 7:22) writes that since we hold that beating the aravot is only a minhag we do not recite a bracha. Shulchan Aruch OC 664:2 agrees. </ref> Additionally, in the shem yichud the text should read minhag neviim and not yesod neviim.<ref>Chazon Ovadia Sukkot p. 440</ref>
			# Some say that one should shake the aravot before beating them.<ref>Chayei Adam 153:3</ref>

	==Who's obligated?==		==Who's obligated?==
	# [[Women]] are exempt from beating the [[Aravot]]. <ref> Chazon Ovadyah ([[Sukkot]] pg 443). ~~see~~ also Sh"t Rav Pealim 1:Kuntres Sod Yesharim:12 </ref>		# [[Women]] are exempt from beating the [[Aravot]]. <ref> Chazon Ovadyah ([[Sukkot]] pg 443). See also Sh"t Rav Pealim 1:Kuntres Sod Yesharim:12 </ref>
	==Which Aravot are fit?==		==Which Aravot are fit?==
	# The [[Aravot]] used for beating the [[Aravot]] must be fit for shaking the [[four minim]]. <ref> Chazon Ovadyah ([[Sukkot]] pg 443) </ref>		# The [[Aravot]] used for beating the [[Aravot]] must be fit for shaking the [[four minim]]. <ref> Rama 664:4, Chazon Ovadyah ([[Sukkot]] pg 443) </ref>
	#If necessary, it is permissible to use the two [[aravot]] that were tied to your [[lulav]] once you have fulfilled that mitzva, for the beating and removed the [[aravot]] from the tie. <ref> Mishna Brurah 664:21 as well as Chazon Ovadia Succot pg. 442 say that although Shulchan Aruch 664:6 holds like the gemara [[sukkah]] 44b that you cannot be yotzei with the [[aravot]] with the [[lulav]], that's only talking about when the [[aravot]] are still tied to the [[lulav]]. In addition, this is not a problem of maalin bakodesh viein moridin (we go up in holiness and don't go down) because the Mordechai says that's only referring to items that are holy and not items that are just used for a mitzva. Yalkut Yosef Moadim pg. 183, Sh"t Yechave Daat 3:48, Beit Yosef Yoreh Deah 259 and Shach 259:11 hold like this. </ref>		# The aravot should initially be nice in order to fulfill hiddur mitzvah. However, as long as they have a single leaf on them they are fit.<ref>Shulchan Aruch and Rama OC 664:4. Mishna Brurah 664:17 explains that the aravot should initially have 3 or 5 groups of leaves.</ref>
	# If necessary, one can pass his [[aravot]] that he used to beat on the ground to a friend to fulfill his obligation as well as long as most of the leaves are still on the branch. <ref> Sh"T Yechave Daat 3:48 </ref>		# The custom is to tie the aravot together for the procedure of beating the aravot.<ref>Mishna Brurah 664:17. Chayei Adam 153:3 adds that it is nice to tie them together with a piece of the lulav.</ref>
	# The ~~minumum~~ length for an [[aravah]] branch for beating is 3 [[tefachim]], like it is for the [[aravah]] for the mitzva with [[lulav]]. <ref> Chazon Ovadia [[Sukkot]] pg. 443 </ref>		# If necessary, it is permissible to use the two [[aravot]] that were tied to your [[lulav]] once you have fulfilled that mitzva, for the beating and removed the [[aravot]] from the tie. <ref> Mishna Brurah 664:21 as well as Chazon Ovadia Succot pg. 442 say that although Shulchan Aruch 664:6 holds like the gemara [[sukkah]] 44b that you cannot be yotzei with the [[aravot]] with the [[lulav]], that's only talking about when the [[aravot]] are still tied to the [[lulav]]. In addition, this is not a problem of maalin bakodesh viein moridin (we go up in holiness and don't go down) because the Mordechai says that's only referring to items that are holy and not items that are just used for a mitzva. Yalkut Yosef Moadim pg. 183, Sh"t Yechave Daat 3:48, Beit Yosef Yoreh Deah 259 and Shach 259:11 hold like this. </ref>
			# If necessary, one can pass his [[aravot]] that he used to beat on the ground to a friend to fulfill his obligation as well as long as most of the leaves are still on the branch. <ref> Sh"t Yechave Daat 3:48 </ref>
			# The minimum length for an [[aravah]] branch for beating is 3 [[tefachim]], like it is for the [[aravah]] for the mitzva with [[lulav]]. <ref> Shulchan Aruch 664:4, Nitai Gavriel Sukkot 77:4, Chazon Ovadia [[Sukkot]] pg. 443 </ref>
			# Most poskim believe that there is no reason to beat the aravot until all of the leaves fall off.<ref>Ben Ish Chai (Vezot Habracha no. 7), Chayei Adam 153:3</ref>
			# The aravot should be beaten on the ground and not a paved area.<ref>Ben Ish Chai (Vezot Habracha no. 7)</ref>

	==Reasons for the Custom==		==Reasons for the Custom==
	#Some view the beating of the Aravot as a ritual of atonement, and interpret Hoshana Rabba as a day of final judgment and forgiveness. Beating the branches symbolizes, and mystically brings about, a sweetening of the Divine attribute of justice<ref>Zohar Parshat Tzav (end of 31b)</ref>		# Some view the beating of the Aravot as a ritual of atonement, and interpret Hoshana Rabba as a day of final judgment and forgiveness. Beating the branches symbolizes, and mystically brings about a sweetening of the Divine attribute of justice.<ref>Zohar Parshat Tzav (end of 31b)</ref> Since the aravot symbolize the mouth by beating the aravot we are praying that the mouth of the prosecuting angels are closed.<ref>Chazon Ovadia Sukkot p. 441 based on the Zohar</ref>
	~~#Others have suggested that~~ beating the ~~Aravot is a prayer for rain, as~~ the ~~sound~~ of ~~beating Aravot evokes~~ the ~~sounds and sights of a rainstorm~~<ref>e.~~g. Rabbi Dr. Louis Jacobs, in The Jewish Religion: A Companion~~</ref>		# A recent view believes that the beating of the Aravot is a re-enactment of a prophecy delivered and acted out by the prophet Chagai on the 21st of Tishrei (i.e. on Hoshana Rabba) in which Chagai assured Jews that God would ultimately overturn the nations of the world and redeem Israel and the Temple.<ref>See Chagai 2:1-9 and see article by Steven Weiner entitled "What Did the Willows Ever Do to Deserve Such a Beating? An Original Explanation for a Perplexing Custom" found here: http://seforim.blogspot.com/2015/09/what-did-willows-ever-do-to-deserve.html</ref>
	# ~~Finally, a~~ recent view ~~proves~~ that the beating of the Aravot is a re-enactment of a prophecy delivered and acted out by the prophet Chagai on the 21st of Tishrei (i.e. on Hoshana Rabba) in which Chagai assured Jews that God would ultimately overturn the nations of the world and redeem Israel and the Temple.<ref>See Chagai 2:1-9 and see article by Steven Weiner entitled "What Did the Willows Ever Do to Deserve Such a Beating? An Original Explanation for a Perplexing Custom" found here: http://seforim.blogspot.com/2015/09/what-did-willows-ever-do-to-deserve.html</ref>

	==Sources==		==Sources==

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	# The minumum length for an [[aravah]] branch for beating is 3 [[tefachim]], like it is for the [[aravah]] for the mitzva with [[lulav]]. <ref> Chazon Ovadia [[Sukkot]] pg. 443 </ref>		# The minumum length for an [[aravah]] branch for beating is 3 [[tefachim]], like it is for the [[aravah]] for the mitzva with [[lulav]]. <ref> Chazon Ovadia [[Sukkot]] pg. 443 </ref>
	==Reasons for the Custom==		==Reasons for the Custom==
	#Some view the beating of the ~~Aravah~~ as a ritual of atonement, and interpret Hoshana Rabba as a day of final judgment and forgiveness. Beating the branches symbolizes, and mystically brings about, a sweetening of the Divine attribute of justice<ref>Zohar Parshat Tzav (end of 31b)</ref>		#Some view the beating of the Aravot as a ritual of atonement, and interpret Hoshana Rabba as a day of final judgment and forgiveness. Beating the branches symbolizes, and mystically brings about, a sweetening of the Divine attribute of justice<ref>Zohar Parshat Tzav (end of 31b)</ref>
	#Others have suggested that beating the ~~Aravah~~ is a prayer for rain, as the sound of beating Aravot evokes the sounds and sights of a rainstorm<ref>e.g. Rabbi Dr. Louis Jacobs, in The Jewish Religion: A Companion</ref>		#Others have suggested that beating the Aravot is a prayer for rain, as the sound of beating Aravot evokes the sounds and sights of a rainstorm<ref>e.g. Rabbi Dr. Louis Jacobs, in The Jewish Religion: A Companion</ref>
	# Finally, a recent view proves that the beating of the ~~Aravah~~ is a re-enactment of a prophecy delivered and acted out by the prophet Chagai on the 21st of Tishrei (i.e. on Hoshana Rabba) in which Chagai assured Jews that God would ultimately overturn the nations of the world and redeem Israel and the Temple.<ref>See Chagai 2:1-9 and see article by Steven Weiner entitled "What Did the Willows Ever Do to Deserve Such a Beating? An Original Explanation for a Perplexing Custom" found here: http://seforim.blogspot.com/2015/09/what-did-willows-ever-do-to-deserve.html</ref>		# Finally, a recent view proves that the beating of the Aravot is a re-enactment of a prophecy delivered and acted out by the prophet Chagai on the 21st of Tishrei (i.e. on Hoshana Rabba) in which Chagai assured Jews that God would ultimately overturn the nations of the world and redeem Israel and the Temple.<ref>See Chagai 2:1-9 and see article by Steven Weiner entitled "What Did the Willows Ever Do to Deserve Such a Beating? An Original Explanation for a Perplexing Custom" found here: http://seforim.blogspot.com/2015/09/what-did-willows-ever-do-to-deserve.html</ref>

	==Sources==		==Sources==

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	#Some view the beating of the Aravah as a ritual of atonement, and interpret Hoshana Rabba as a day of final judgment and forgiveness. Beating the branches symbolizes, and mystically brings about, a sweetening of the Divine attribute of justice<ref>Zohar Parshat Tzav (end of 31b)</ref>		#Some view the beating of the Aravah as a ritual of atonement, and interpret Hoshana Rabba as a day of final judgment and forgiveness. Beating the branches symbolizes, and mystically brings about, a sweetening of the Divine attribute of justice<ref>Zohar Parshat Tzav (end of 31b)</ref>
	#Others have suggested that beating the Aravah is a prayer for rain, as the sound of beating Aravot evokes the sounds and sights of a rainstorm<ref>e.g. Rabbi Dr. Louis Jacobs, in The Jewish Religion: A Companion</ref>		#Others have suggested that beating the Aravah is a prayer for rain, as the sound of beating Aravot evokes the sounds and sights of a rainstorm<ref>e.g. Rabbi Dr. Louis Jacobs, in The Jewish Religion: A Companion</ref>
	# Finally, a recent view proves that the beating of the Aravah is a re-enactment of a prophecy delivered and acted out by the prophet Chagai on the 21st of Tishrei (i.e. on Hoshana Rabba) in which Chagai ~~encouraged~~ Jews that God would ultimately overturn the nations of the world and redeem Israel and the Temple.<ref>See Chagai 2:1-9 and see article by Steven Weiner entitled "What Did the Willows Ever Do to Deserve Such a Beating? An Original Explanation for a Perplexing Custom" found here: http://seforim.blogspot.com/2015/09/what-did-willows-ever-do-to-deserve.html</ref>		# Finally, a recent view proves that the beating of the Aravah is a re-enactment of a prophecy delivered and acted out by the prophet Chagai on the 21st of Tishrei (i.e. on Hoshana Rabba) in which Chagai assured Jews that God would ultimately overturn the nations of the world and redeem Israel and the Temple.<ref>See Chagai 2:1-9 and see article by Steven Weiner entitled "What Did the Willows Ever Do to Deserve Such a Beating? An Original Explanation for a Perplexing Custom" found here: http://seforim.blogspot.com/2015/09/what-did-willows-ever-do-to-deserve.html</ref>

	==Sources==		==Sources==

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	# The minumum length for an [[aravah]] branch for beating is 3 [[tefachim]], like it is for the [[aravah]] for the mitzva with [[lulav]]. <ref> Chazon Ovadia [[Sukkot]] pg. 443 </ref>		# The minumum length for an [[aravah]] branch for beating is 3 [[tefachim]], like it is for the [[aravah]] for the mitzva with [[lulav]]. <ref> Chazon Ovadia [[Sukkot]] pg. 443 </ref>
	==Reasons for the Custom==		==Reasons for the Custom==
	#Some view the beating of the Aravah as a ~~rite~~ of atonement, and ~~interprets~~ Hoshana Rabba as a day of final judgment and forgiveness. Beating the branches symbolizes, and mystically brings about, a sweetening of the Divine attribute of justice<ref>Zohar Parshat Tzav (end of 31b)</ref>		#Some view the beating of the Aravah as a ritual of atonement, and interpret Hoshana Rabba as a day of final judgment and forgiveness. Beating the branches symbolizes, and mystically brings about, a sweetening of the Divine attribute of justice<ref>Zohar Parshat Tzav (end of 31b)</ref>
	#Others have suggested that beating the Aravah ~~represents~~ a prayer for rain, the sound of beating Aravot ~~evoking~~ the sounds and sights of a rainstorm<ref>e.g. Rabbi Dr. Louis Jacobs, in The Jewish Religion: A Companion</ref>		#Others have suggested that beating the Aravah is a prayer for rain, as the sound of beating Aravot evokes the sounds and sights of a rainstorm<ref>e.g. Rabbi Dr. Louis Jacobs, in The Jewish Religion: A Companion</ref>
	# Finally, a recent view proves that the beating of the Aravah is a re-enactment of a prophecy delivered and acted out by the prophet Chagai on the 21st of Tishrei (i.e. on Hoshana Rabba) in which Chagai encouraged Jews that God would ultimately overturn the nations of the world and redeem Israel and the Temple.<ref>See Chagai 2:1-9 and see article by Steven Weiner entitled "What Did the Willows Ever Do to Deserve Such a Beating? An Original Explanation for a Perplexing Custom" found here: http://seforim.blogspot.com/2015/09/what-did-willows-ever-do-to-deserve.html</ref>		# Finally, a recent view proves that the beating of the Aravah is a re-enactment of a prophecy delivered and acted out by the prophet Chagai on the 21st of Tishrei (i.e. on Hoshana Rabba) in which Chagai encouraged Jews that God would ultimately overturn the nations of the world and redeem Israel and the Temple.<ref>See Chagai 2:1-9 and see article by Steven Weiner entitled "What Did the Willows Ever Do to Deserve Such a Beating? An Original Explanation for a Perplexing Custom" found here: http://seforim.blogspot.com/2015/09/what-did-willows-ever-do-to-deserve.html</ref>

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	==Beating the Aravot==		==Beating the Aravot==
	# It is our custom on [[Hoshana Rabba]] morning after [[mussaf]] to beat five [[aravot]] on the floor five times. <ref> Chazon Ovadia [[Sukkot]] pg. 440, Yalkut Yosef Moadim pg. 183, Shaar Hakavanot 105a. Chayei Adam 153:3 writes that although there's really no fixed number of aravot necessary the proper custom is to use five.</ref>		# It is our custom on [[Hoshana Rabba]] morning after [[mussaf]] to beat five [[aravot]] on the floor five times.<ref> Chazon Ovadia [[Sukkot]] pg. 440, Yalkut Yosef Moadim pg. 183, Shaar Hakavanot 105a. Chayei Adam 153:3 writes that although there's really no fixed number of aravot necessary the proper custom is to use five.</ref>
	# We hold like the opinion in the gemara that the beating of the [[aravot]] is a minhag neviim, and therefore there is no bracha recited on it. <ref> This argument about whether its a minhag neviim or yesod neviim appears in Gemara Sukkah 44a-b. Rashi there explains the practical difference between these opinion is whether or not we say a bracha. The Rambam (Sukkah 7:22) writes that since we hold that beating the aravot is only a minhag we do not recite a bracha. Shulchan Aruch OC 664:2 agrees. </ref> Additionally, in the shem yichud the text should read minhag neviim and not yesod neviim.<ref>Chazon Ovadia Sukkot p. 440</ref>		# We hold like the opinion in the gemara that the beating of the [[aravot]] is a minhag neviim, and therefore there is no bracha recited on it.<ref> This argument about whether its a minhag neviim or yesod neviim appears in Gemara Sukkah 44a-b. Rashi there explains the practical difference between these opinion is whether or not we say a bracha. The Rambam (Sukkah 7:22) writes that since we hold that beating the aravot is only a minhag we do not recite a bracha. Shulchan Aruch OC 664:2 agrees. </ref> Additionally, in the shem yichud the text should read minhag neviim and not yesod neviim.<ref>Chazon Ovadia Sukkot p. 440</ref>
	# One should shake the aravot before beating them.<ref>Rama 664:4, Chayei Adam 153:3</ref>		# One should shake the aravot before beating them.<ref>Rama 664:4, Chayei Adam 153:3</ref>

	==Which Aravot are fit?==		==Which Aravot are fit?==
	# The [[Aravot]] used for beating the [[Aravot]] must be fit for shaking the [[four minim]]. <ref> Rama 664:4, Chazon Ovadyah ([[Sukkot]] pg 443) </ref>		# The [[Aravot]] used for beating the [[Aravot]] must be fit for shaking the [[four minim]].<ref> Rama 664:4, Chazon Ovadyah ([[Sukkot]] pg 443) </ref>
	# The aravot should initially be nice in order to fulfill hiddur mitzvah. However, as long as they have a single leaf on them they are fit.<ref>Shulchan Aruch and Rama OC 664:4. Mishna Brurah 664:17 explains that the aravot should initially have 3 or 5 groups of leaves.</ref>		# The aravot should initially be nice in order to fulfill hiddur mitzvah. However, as long as they have a single leaf on them they are fit.<ref>Shulchan Aruch and Rama OC 664:4. Mishna Brurah 664:17 explains that the aravot should initially have 3 or 5 groups of leaves.</ref>
	# The custom is to tie the aravot together for the procedure of beating the aravot.<ref>Birkei Yosef 664:4, Mishna Brurah 664:17. Chayei Adam 153:3 adds that it is nice to tie them together with a piece of the lulav.</ref>		# The custom is to tie the aravot together for the procedure of beating the aravot.<ref>Birkei Yosef 664:4, Mishna Brurah 664:17. Chayei Adam 153:3 adds that it is nice to tie them together with a piece of the lulav.</ref>
	# If necessary, it is permissible to use the two [[aravot]] that were tied to your [[lulav]] once you have fulfilled that mitzva, for the beating and removed the [[aravot]] from the tie. <ref> Mishna Brurah 664:21 as well as Chazon Ovadia Succot pg. 442 say that although Shulchan Aruch 664:6 holds like the gemara [[sukkah]] 44b that you cannot be yotzei with the [[aravot]] with the [[lulav]], that's only talking about when the [[aravot]] are still tied to the [[lulav]]. Nitai Gavriel 77:10 agrees. In addition, this is not a problem of maalin bakodesh viein moridin (we go up in holiness and don't go down) because the Mordechai says that's only referring to items that are holy and not items that are just used for a mitzva. Yalkut Yosef Moadim pg. 183, Sh"t Yechave Daat 3:48, Beit Yosef Yoreh Deah 259 and Shach 259:11 hold like this. </ref>		# If necessary, it is permissible to use the two [[aravot]] that were tied to your [[lulav]] once you have fulfilled that mitzva, for the beating and removed the [[aravot]] from the tie.<ref> Mishna Brurah 664:21 as well as Chazon Ovadia Succot pg. 442 say that although Shulchan Aruch 664:6 holds like the gemara [[sukkah]] 44b that you cannot be yotzei with the [[aravot]] with the [[lulav]], that's only talking about when the [[aravot]] are still tied to the [[lulav]]. Nitai Gavriel 77:10 agrees. In addition, this is not a problem of maalin bakodesh viein moridin (we go up in holiness and don't go down) because the Mordechai says that's only referring to items that are holy and not items that are just used for a mitzva. Yalkut Yosef Moadim pg. 183, Sh"t Yechave Daat 3:48, Beit Yosef Yoreh Deah 259 and Shach 259:11 hold like this. </ref>
	# If necessary, one can pass his [[aravot]] that he used to beat on the ground to a friend to fulfill his obligation as well as long as most of the leaves are still on the branch. <ref> Sh"t Yechave Daat 3:48 </ref>		# If necessary, one can pass his [[aravot]] that he used to beat on the ground to a friend to fulfill his obligation as well as long as most of the leaves are still on the branch.<ref> Sh"t Yechave Daat 3:48 </ref>
	# The minimum length for an [[aravah]] branch for beating is 3 [[tefachim]], like it is for the [[aravah]] for the mitzva with [[lulav]]. <ref> Shulchan Aruch 664:4, Nitai Gavriel Sukkot 77:4, Chazon Ovadia [[Sukkot]] pg. 443 </ref>		# The minimum length for an [[aravah]] branch for beating is 3 [[tefachim]], like it is for the [[aravah]] for the mitzva with [[lulav]].<ref> Shulchan Aruch 664:4, Nitai Gavriel Sukkot 77:4, Chazon Ovadia [[Sukkot]] pg. 443 </ref>
	# Most poskim believe that there is no reason to beat the aravot until all of the leaves fall off.<ref>Ben Ish Chai (Vezot Habracha no. 7), Chayei Adam 153:3</ref>		# Most poskim believe that there is no reason to beat the aravot until all of the leaves fall off.<ref>Ben Ish Chai (Vezot Habracha no. 7), Chayei Adam 153:3</ref>
	# The aravot should be beaten on the ground and not a paved area.<ref>Ben Ish Chai (Vezot Habracha no. 7)</ref>		# The aravot should be beaten on the ground and not a paved area.<ref>Ben Ish Chai (Vezot Habracha no. 7)</ref>

	==Who's obligated?==		==Who's obligated?==
	# Some say that [[Women]] are exempt from beating the [[Aravot]]. <ref> Chazon Ovadyah ([[Sukkot]] pg 443), [http://www.doresh-tzion.co.il/QAShowAnswer.aspx?qaid=102226 Chacham Benzion Mussafi]. See also Sh"t Rav Pealim 1:Kuntres Sod Yesharim:12 </ref> Some say that women should also beat the aravot.<ref>Nitai Gavriel Sukkot 77:15</ref>		# Some say that [[Women]] are exempt from beating the [[Aravot]].<ref> Chazon Ovadyah ([[Sukkot]] pg 443), [http://www.doresh-tzion.co.il/QAShowAnswer.aspx?qaid=102226 Chacham Benzion Mussafi]. See also Sh"t Rav Pealim 1:Kuntres Sod Yesharim:12 </ref> Some say that women should also beat the aravot.<ref>Nitai Gavriel Sukkot 77:15</ref>

	==Reasons for the Custom==		==Reasons for the Custom==