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Borrowing without Permission

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	==Borrowing without Permission==		==Borrowing without Permission==

	#One may borrow a lulav and etrog without asking permission. Since it is a mitzva and the risk of damage is low, we can assume that the owner would allow it.<ref>Rama 649:5 based on Terumat Hadeshen 100, Pri Megadim MZ 649:7, Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 66 </ref> However, if the one knows that the owner is meticulous about his, or circumstances dictate that he probably is such as it is meticulously wrapped or put away in a private locker, one should not use it without permission.<ref>Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 67</ref> This refers to the later days of Sukkot. However, on the first day (or first two outside of Israel) one does not fulfill his obligation with a borrowed lulav, even if it is with permission.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 649:2, Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 67 </ref>		#One may borrow a lulav and etrog without asking permission. Since it is a mitzva and the risk of damage is low, we can assume that the owner would allow it.<ref>Rama 649:5 based on Terumat Hadeshen 100, Pri Megadim MZ 649:7, Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 66 </ref> However, if the one knows that the owner is meticulous about his, or circumstances dictate that he probably is such as it is meticulously wrapped or put away in a private locker, one should not use it without permission.<ref>Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 67</ref> This refers to the later days of Sukkot. However, on the first day (or first two outside of Israel)<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 649:5, Mishna Brurah 649:51, 658:23, Chazon Ovadia p. 285</ref> one does not fulfill his obligation with a borrowed lulav, even if it is with permission.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 649:2, Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 67 </ref>
	#Even a woman may borrow a lulav without permission, even though she is not obligated to do perform the mitzva, since she is permitted to volunteer.<ref>Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 66, Shu"t Igrot Moshe OC 2:106 </ref>		#Even a woman may borrow a lulav without permission, even though she is not obligated to do perform the mitzva, since she is permitted to volunteer.<ref>Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 66, Shu"t Igrot Moshe OC 2:106 </ref>
	#One should not borrow an etrog that is on sale, because the seller probably does not want them to be used.<ref>Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 67, Shu"t Igrot Moshe OC 2:107</ref>		#One should not borrow an etrog that is on sale, because the seller probably does not want them to be used.<ref>Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 67, Shu"t Igrot Moshe OC 2:107</ref>

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Borrowing without Permission

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	==Borrowing without Permission==		==Borrowing without Permission==

	#One may borrow a lulav and etrog without asking permission. Since it is a mitzva and the risk of damage is low, we can assume that the owner would allow it.<ref>Rama 649:5 based on Terumat Hadeshen 100, Pri Megadim MZ 649:7, Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 66 </ref> However, if the one knows that the owner is meticulous about his, or circumstances dictate that he probably is such as it is meticulously wrapped or put away n a private locker, one should not use it without permission.<ref>Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 67</ref> This refers to the later days of Sukkot, However, on the first day (or first two outside of Israel) one does not fulfill his obligation with a borrowed lulav, even if it is with permission.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 649:2, Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 67 </ref>		#One may borrow a lulav and etrog without asking permission. Since it is a mitzva and the risk of damage is low, we can assume that the owner would allow it.<ref>Rama 649:5 based on Terumat Hadeshen 100, Pri Megadim MZ 649:7, Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 66 </ref> However, if the one knows that the owner is meticulous about his, or circumstances dictate that he probably is such as it is meticulously wrapped or put away in a private locker, one should not use it without permission.<ref>Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 67</ref> This refers to the later days of Sukkot. However, on the first day (or first two outside of Israel) one does not fulfill his obligation with a borrowed lulav, even if it is with permission.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 649:2, Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 67 </ref>
	#Even a woman may borrow a lulav without permission, even though she is not obligated to do perform the mitzva, since she is permitted to volunteer.<ref>Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 66, Shu"t Igrot Moshe OC 2:106 </ref>		#Even a woman may borrow a lulav without permission, even though she is not obligated to do perform the mitzva, since she is permitted to volunteer.<ref>Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 66, Shu"t Igrot Moshe OC 2:106 </ref>
	#One should not borrow an etrog that is on sale, because the seller probably does not want them to be used.<ref>Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 67, Shu"t Igrot Moshe OC 2:107</ref>		#One should not borrow an etrog that is on sale, because the seller probably does not want them to be used.<ref>Halachos of Other People's Money pg. 67, Shu"t Igrot Moshe OC 2:107</ref>

YitzchakSultan1: /* How to Hold Them */

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How to Hold Them

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	#We need to hold the [[arba minim]] right side up, "biderech gedeilatan"-the way which they grow. <ref>sukka 45b. Mishna Brurah 652:16 and Chazon Ovadia Hilchot sukka page 340 say you aren't even yotze bidieved. </ref> The species shouldn't be turned downward when shaking in the downward direction, they should always be held upright and the shaking should be towards that direction.<ref>Kaf Hachaim 651:47, Chazon Ovadia p. 341</ref>		#We need to hold the [[arba minim]] right side up, "biderech gedeilatan"-the way which they grow.<ref>sukka 45b. Mishna Brurah 652:16 and Chazon Ovadia Hilchot sukka page 340 say you aren't even yotze bidieved. </ref> The species shouldn't be turned downward when shaking in the downward direction, they should always be held upright and the shaking should be towards that direction.<ref>Kaf Hachaim 651:47, Chazon Ovadia p. 341</ref>
	#Holding the four species side-wise is incorrect.<ref>Chazon Ovadia p. 341</ref>		#Holding the four species side-wise is incorrect.<ref>Chazon Ovadia p. 341</ref>
	#The Etrog should be held together with the other species at the bottom of lulav.<ref>Shaar Hakavaot 103b, Ben Ish Chai (Shana Rishona Haazinu n. 14), Kaf Hachaim 651:48. The [https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjo86Gvo-PdAhVnh-AKHUJeBqUQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tapuz.co.il%2Fblogs%2Fviewentry%2F7357845&psig=AOvVaw0iGAVSyIUH3jMdY6QicO1n&ust=1538415736699429 picture of Rav Mordechai Eliyahu] to the right as well as [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5gFkPxFJf4 this video of Rav Ovadia Yosef (min 1:13)] indicate that this is the correct way to hold the lulav and etrog. However, there is a Chabad minhag to hold the etrog at a slight degree away from the lulav but connected at the bottom (Sefer Haminhagim Chabad p. 66, Piskei Hasiddur dinei lulav fnt. 84).</ref> Most hold that it is fine for the Etrog to be touching the hadasim and aravot and not directly touching the lulav spine.<ref>Nitai Gavriel 54:9 citing the Shaar HaKavanot 103b</ref>		#The Etrog should be held together with the other species at the bottom of lulav.<ref>Shaar Hakavaot 103b, Ben Ish Chai (Shana Rishona Haazinu n. 14), Kaf Hachaim 651:48. The [https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjo86Gvo-PdAhVnh-AKHUJeBqUQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tapuz.co.il%2Fblogs%2Fviewentry%2F7357845&psig=AOvVaw0iGAVSyIUH3jMdY6QicO1n&ust=1538415736699429 picture of Rav Mordechai Eliyahu] to the right as well as [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5gFkPxFJf4 this video of Rav Ovadia Yosef (min 1:13)] indicate that this is the correct way to hold the lulav and etrog. However, there is a Chabad minhag to hold the etrog at a slight degree away from the lulav but connected at the bottom (Sefer Haminhagim Chabad p. 66, Piskei Hasiddur dinei lulav fnt. 84).</ref> Most hold that it is fine for the Etrog to be touching the hadasim and aravot and not directly touching the lulav spine.<ref>Nitai Gavriel 54:9 citing the Shaar HaKavanot 103b</ref>
	#The minhag is that the spine of the [[lulav]] should be facing towards the person shaking it. <ref>Mishna Brurah 651:47, Chazon Ovadia [[Sukkot]] 358, Ben Ish Chai Haazinu 13 against the Eliyah Rabba 650 and the Orchot Chaim 23 quoting the Raavad who say that the spine should be facing away from him </ref>		#The minhag is that the spine of the [[lulav]] should be facing towards the person shaking it.<ref>Mishna Brurah 651:47, Chazon Ovadia [[Sukkot]] 358, Ben Ish Chai Haazinu 13 against the Eliyah Rabba 650 and the Orchot Chaim 23 quoting the Raavad who say that the spine should be facing away from him </ref>
	#One should hold the [[lulav]] ([[aravot]] and [[hadasim]] included) in the right hand and the [[etrog]] in his left hand. <ref>Shulchan Aruch 651:2. Mishna Brurah 15 explains that this is because the [[lulav]], [[aravot]], and [[hadasim]] have three parts of the mitzva while the [[etrog]] is only one. </ref>		#One should hold the [[lulav]] ([[aravot]] and [[hadasim]] included) in the right hand and the [[etrog]] in his left hand.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 651:2. Mishna Brurah 15 explains that this is because the [[lulav]], [[aravot]], and [[hadasim]] have three parts of the mitzva while the [[etrog]] is only one. </ref>
	#For people whose left hand is the stronger one,		#For people whose left hand is the stronger one,
	##Sephardim should hold it as if they were right handed and hold the [[lulav]] in the right and [[etrog]] in the left. <ref>Tur 651, Shulchan Aruch 651:3. See Kaf Hachaim 651:38. </ref>		##Sephardim should hold it as if they were right handed and hold the [[lulav]] in the right and [[etrog]] in the left. <ref>Tur 651, Shulchan Aruch 651:3. See Kaf Hachaim 651:38. </ref>
	##Ashkenazim should switch it, and hold the [[lulav]] in the left hand and [[etrog]] in the right hand. <ref>Rama (quoting the Rosh 3:25 and Rabbeinu Yerucham) 651:3. Rama adds that if a lefty held it as if he were a righty, he is still yotzei. see however, Orchos Rabbeinu 2:pg. 288 that the Steipler who was a lefty and Ashkenazi, followed the Shulchan Aruch and not the Rama's ruling. </ref>		##Ashkenazim should switch it, and hold the [[lulav]] in the left hand and [[etrog]] in the right hand.<ref>Rama (quoting the Rosh 3:25 and Rabbeinu Yerucham) 651:3. Rama adds that if a lefty held it as if he were a righty, he is still yotzei. see however, Orchos Rabbeinu 2:pg. 288 that the Steipler who was a lefty and Ashkenazi, followed the Shulchan Aruch and not the Rama's ruling. </ref>
	#One should hold the [[arba minim]] against each other both for the holding and for the shaking. <ref>Shulchan Aruch 651:11 </ref>		#One should hold the [[arba minim]] against each other both for the holding and for the shaking.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 651:11 </ref>
	#It is prohibited to have something [[separating]] between your hands and the [[arba minim]]. Therefore, one should remove one's ring and even after the fact if one shook with a ring on some say that one has to shake the lulav again without a bracha.<ref>Beit Yosef 651 says for those who wear [[tefillin]] during [[chol hamoed]] remove it for the [[arba minim]], although technically they don't have to because it doesn't cover the whole hand. Rama 651:7 paskins like this as well. The bach and the biurei hagra there however, both say that you must remove it because its considered a chatzitza as long as its not for the hiddur mitzva. Mishna Brurah 651:36 quotes some who hold that if one shook the lulav with a ring one should shake it again after removing the ring without a bracha. See Halichot Shlomo p. 224 ~~who seems to hold~~ that a ring isn't a problem since it only covers a minority of the hand and one ~~could~~ hold the lulav even without that area of the hand.</ref> Some Sephardi poskim allow shaking lulav with a ring on if you hold it with the ends of your fingers and not the part of your finger that has the ring.<ref>Kapot Temarim (Sukkah 37a s.v. ktvu od), [https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=9249&st=&pgnum=103 Ikrei Hadaat (33:25)], Tiferet 651:36, Halichot Shlomo (p. 224)</ref> It is permitted to wear a cast or a bandage that you can't remove while shaking the lulav.<ref>Halichot Shlomo p. 224, Chazon Ovadia 417-419 </ref>		#It is prohibited to have something [[separating]] between your hands and the [[arba minim]]. Therefore, one should remove one's ring and even after the fact if one shook with a ring on some say that one has to shake the lulav again without a bracha.<ref>Beit Yosef 651 says for those who wear [[tefillin]] during [[chol hamoed]] remove it for the [[arba minim]], although technically they don't have to because it doesn't cover the whole hand. Rama 651:7 paskins like this as well. The bach and the biurei hagra there however, both say that you must remove it because its considered a chatzitza as long as its not for the hiddur mitzva. Mishna Brurah 651:36 quotes some who hold that if one shook the lulav with a ring one should shake it again after removing the ring without a bracha. See Halichot Shlomo p. 224 holds that a ring isn't a problem since it only covers a minority of the hand and one should hold the lulav even without that area of the hand.</ref> Some Sephardi poskim allow shaking lulav with a ring on if you hold it with the ends of your fingers and not the part of your finger that has the ring.<ref>Kapot Temarim (Sukkah 37a s.v. ktvu od), [https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=9249&st=&pgnum=103 Ikrei Hadaat (33:25)], Tiferet 651:36, Halichot Shlomo (p. 224)</ref> It is permitted to wear a cast or a bandage that you can't remove while shaking the lulav.<ref>Halichot Shlomo p. 224, Chazon Ovadia 417-419 </ref>
	# One may not use gloves to hold the lulav. Even after the fact one should shake it again after removing the gloves without a bracha. To avoid concerns of catching COVID one should santize one's hands before and after.<ref>Minchat Asher (Yerach Eytanim Biydan Corona n. 15), Mishna Brurah 651:33</ref>		# One may not use gloves to hold the lulav. Even after the fact one should shake it again after removing the gloves without a bracha. To avoid concerns of catching COVID one should santize one's hands before and after.<ref>Minchat Asher (Yerach Eytanim Biydan Corona n. 15), Mishna Brurah 651:33</ref>

YitzchakSultan1: /* How to Hold Them */

2026-03-23T20:46:50Z

How to Hold Them

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	##Ashkenazim should switch it, and hold the [[lulav]] in the left hand and [[etrog]] in the right hand. <ref>Rama (quoting the Rosh 3:25 and Rabbeinu Yerucham) 651:3. Rama adds that if a lefty held it as if he were a righty, he is still yotzei. see however, Orchos Rabbeinu 2:pg. 288 that the Steipler who was a lefty and Ashkenazi, followed the Shulchan Aruch and not the Rama's ruling. </ref>		##Ashkenazim should switch it, and hold the [[lulav]] in the left hand and [[etrog]] in the right hand. <ref>Rama (quoting the Rosh 3:25 and Rabbeinu Yerucham) 651:3. Rama adds that if a lefty held it as if he were a righty, he is still yotzei. see however, Orchos Rabbeinu 2:pg. 288 that the Steipler who was a lefty and Ashkenazi, followed the Shulchan Aruch and not the Rama's ruling. </ref>
	#One should hold the [[arba minim]] against each other both for the holding and for the shaking. <ref>Shulchan Aruch 651:11 </ref>		#One should hold the [[arba minim]] against each other both for the holding and for the shaking. <ref>Shulchan Aruch 651:11 </ref>
	#It is prohibited to have something [[separating]] between your hands and the [[arba minim]]. Therefore, one should remove one's ring and even after the fact if one shook with a ring on some say that one has to shake the lulav again without a bracha.<ref>Beit Yosef 651 says for those who wear [[tefillin]] during [[chol hamoed]] remove it for the [[arba minim]], although technically they don't have to because it doesn't cover the whole hand. Rama 651:7 paskins like this as well. The bach and the biurei hagra there however, both say that you must remove it because its considered a chatzitza as long as its not for the hiddur mitzva. Mishna Brurah 651:36 quotes some who hold that if one shook the lulav with a ring one should shake it again after removing the ring without a bracha. See Halichot Shlomo p. 224 who seems to hold that a ring isn't a problem since it only covers a minority of the hand and one could hold the lulav even without that area of the hand.</ref> Some Sephardi poskim allow shaking lulav with a ring on.<ref>Kapot Temarim (Sukkah 37a s.v. ktvu od), [https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=9249&st=&pgnum=103 Ikrei Hadaat (33:25)], Tiferet 651:36</ref> It is permitted to wear a cast or a bandage that you can't remove while shaking the lulav.<ref>Halichot Shlomo p. 224, Chazon Ovadia 417-419 </ref>		#It is prohibited to have something [[separating]] between your hands and the [[arba minim]]. Therefore, one should remove one's ring and even after the fact if one shook with a ring on some say that one has to shake the lulav again without a bracha.<ref>Beit Yosef 651 says for those who wear [[tefillin]] during [[chol hamoed]] remove it for the [[arba minim]], although technically they don't have to because it doesn't cover the whole hand. Rama 651:7 paskins like this as well. The bach and the biurei hagra there however, both say that you must remove it because its considered a chatzitza as long as its not for the hiddur mitzva. Mishna Brurah 651:36 quotes some who hold that if one shook the lulav with a ring one should shake it again after removing the ring without a bracha. See Halichot Shlomo p. 224 who seems to hold that a ring isn't a problem since it only covers a minority of the hand and one could hold the lulav even without that area of the hand.</ref> Some Sephardi poskim allow shaking lulav with a ring on if you hold it with the ends of your fingers and not the part of your finger that has the ring.<ref>Kapot Temarim (Sukkah 37a s.v. ktvu od), [https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=9249&st=&pgnum=103 Ikrei Hadaat (33:25)], Tiferet 651:36, Halichot Shlomo (p. 224)</ref> It is permitted to wear a cast or a bandage that you can't remove while shaking the lulav.<ref>Halichot Shlomo p. 224, Chazon Ovadia 417-419 </ref>
	# One may not use gloves to hold the lulav. Even after the fact one should shake it again after removing the gloves without a bracha. To avoid concerns of catching COVID one should santize one's hands before and after.<ref>Minchat Asher (Yerach Eytanim Biydan Corona n. 15), Mishna Brurah 651:33</ref>		# One may not use gloves to hold the lulav. Even after the fact one should shake it again after removing the gloves without a bracha. To avoid concerns of catching COVID one should santize one's hands before and after.<ref>Minchat Asher (Yerach Eytanim Biydan Corona n. 15), Mishna Brurah 651:33</ref>

YitzchakSultan1: /* How to Hold Them */

2026-03-23T20:37:29Z

How to Hold Them

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	##Ashkenazim should switch it, and hold the [[lulav]] in the left hand and [[etrog]] in the right hand. <ref>Rama (quoting the Rosh 3:25 and Rabbeinu Yerucham) 651:3. Rama adds that if a lefty held it as if he were a righty, he is still yotzei. see however, Orchos Rabbeinu 2:pg. 288 that the Steipler who was a lefty and Ashkenazi, followed the Shulchan Aruch and not the Rama's ruling. </ref>		##Ashkenazim should switch it, and hold the [[lulav]] in the left hand and [[etrog]] in the right hand. <ref>Rama (quoting the Rosh 3:25 and Rabbeinu Yerucham) 651:3. Rama adds that if a lefty held it as if he were a righty, he is still yotzei. see however, Orchos Rabbeinu 2:pg. 288 that the Steipler who was a lefty and Ashkenazi, followed the Shulchan Aruch and not the Rama's ruling. </ref>
	#One should hold the [[arba minim]] against each other both for the holding and for the shaking. <ref>Shulchan Aruch 651:11 </ref>		#One should hold the [[arba minim]] against each other both for the holding and for the shaking. <ref>Shulchan Aruch 651:11 </ref>
	#It is prohibited to have something [[separating]] between your hands and the [[arba minim]]. Therefore, one should remove one's ring and even after the fact if one shook with a ring on some say that one has to shake the lulav again without a bracha. <ref>Beit Yosef 651 says for those who wear [[tefillin]] during [[chol hamoed]] remove it for the [[arba minim]], although technically they don't have to because it doesn't cover the whole hand. Rama 651:7 paskins like this as well. The bach and the biurei hagra there however, both say that you must remove it because its considered a chatzitza as long as its not for the hiddur mitzva. Mishna Brurah 651:36 quotes some who hold that if one shook the lulav with a ring one should shake it again after removing the ring without a bracha. See Halichot Shlomo p. 224 who seems to hold that a ring isn't a problem since it only covers a minority of the hand and one could hold the lulav even without that area of the hand.</ref> It is permitted to wear a cast or a bandage that you can't remove while shaking the lulav.<ref>Halichot Shlomo p. 224, Chazon Ovadia 417-419 </ref>		#It is prohibited to have something [[separating]] between your hands and the [[arba minim]]. Therefore, one should remove one's ring and even after the fact if one shook with a ring on some say that one has to shake the lulav again without a bracha.<ref>Beit Yosef 651 says for those who wear [[tefillin]] during [[chol hamoed]] remove it for the [[arba minim]], although technically they don't have to because it doesn't cover the whole hand. Rama 651:7 paskins like this as well. The bach and the biurei hagra there however, both say that you must remove it because its considered a chatzitza as long as its not for the hiddur mitzva. Mishna Brurah 651:36 quotes some who hold that if one shook the lulav with a ring one should shake it again after removing the ring without a bracha. See Halichot Shlomo p. 224 who seems to hold that a ring isn't a problem since it only covers a minority of the hand and one could hold the lulav even without that area of the hand.</ref> Some Sephardi poskim allow shaking lulav with a ring on.<ref>Kapot Temarim (Sukkah 37a s.v. ktvu od), [https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=9249&st=&pgnum=103 Ikrei Hadaat (33:25)], Tiferet 651:36</ref> It is permitted to wear a cast or a bandage that you can't remove while shaking the lulav.<ref>Halichot Shlomo p. 224, Chazon Ovadia 417-419 </ref>
	# One may not use gloves to hold the lulav. Even after the fact one should shake it again after removing the gloves without a bracha. To avoid concerns of catching COVID one should santize one's hands before and after.<ref>Minchat Asher (Yerach Eytanim Biydan Corona n. 15), Mishna Brurah 651:33</ref>		# One may not use gloves to hold the lulav. Even after the fact one should shake it again after removing the gloves without a bracha. To avoid concerns of catching COVID one should santize one's hands before and after.<ref>Minchat Asher (Yerach Eytanim Biydan Corona n. 15), Mishna Brurah 651:33</ref>

YitzchakSultan1: /* Beracha */

2026-03-17T20:59:56Z

Beracha

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	# If one didn't take the [[four minim]] on the first day, then he says [[shehecheyanu]] the first time that he does. <ref>Mishna Brurah 662:3 </ref>		# If one didn't take the [[four minim]] on the first day, then he says [[shehecheyanu]] the first time that he does. <ref>Mishna Brurah 662:3 </ref>
	#The beracha and taking of the [[arba minim]] should be done while standing, but if you sat, you are yotzei bidieved. <ref>Chazon Ovadia p. 416 quoting the Shibbolei Haleket 366, and the Sefer Yereim 114 that its based on a gezeira shava learned from [[sefirat haomer]]. The halacha regarding [[sefirat haomer]] is in Rambam Hilchot Temidim Umusafim 7:23. Mahari Vayil 191 explicitly states that one should shake the lulav while standing. Lehorot Natan 11:69 concludes that both the bracha and mitzvah should be done standing.</ref>		#The beracha and taking of the [[arba minim]] should be done while standing, but if you sat, you are yotzei bidieved. <ref>Chazon Ovadia p. 416 quoting the Shibbolei Haleket 366, and the Sefer Yereim 114 that its based on a gezeira shava learned from [[sefirat haomer]]. The halacha regarding [[sefirat haomer]] is in Rambam Hilchot Temidim Umusafim 7:23. Mahari Vayil 191 explicitly states that one should shake the lulav while standing. Lehorot Natan 11:69 concludes that both the bracha and mitzvah should be done standing.</ref>
			#Some say that a person should pick up the Etrog first and put it down after putting down the lulav first,<ref>[https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=6059&st=&pgnum=189 Ibn Shuiv 94d], Mateh Moshe 928, Magen Avraham 651:8. This is learned from a comparison to Tefillin, that the Etrog comes first in the pasuk like Tefillin shel yad. </ref> however, the halacha does not follow that opinion.<ref>Dagul Mirvava (on Magen Avraham 651:8) based on Rambam, Tosfot 39a, Rosh, and Tur 651:5</ref>

	==When to make the Bracha==		==When to make the Bracha==

YitzchakSultan1: /* How to Bind the 4 Minim (Eged) */

2026-03-16T21:16:53Z

How to Bind the 4 Minim (Eged)

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	#The halacha follows the opinion that it is not necessary to have the Lulav, Hadasim, and Aravot bound up together, however, it is a mitzvah and proper to do so to make the 4 minim look nicer.<ref>Gemara Sukkah 33a and 36b cites a dispute between Rabbi Yehuda who holds that there is an obligation to bind the 3 minim together and the Rabbis who hold that it is only preferable in order to make the mitzvah nicer. Rambam (Lulav 7:4) and Shulchan Aruch O.C. 651:1 hold like the Rabbis.</ref>		#The halacha follows the opinion that it is not necessary to have the Lulav, Hadasim, and Aravot bound up together, however, it is a mitzvah and proper to do so to make the 4 minim look nicer.<ref>Gemara Sukkah 33a and 36b cites a dispute between Rabbi Yehuda who holds that there is an obligation to bind the 3 minim together and the Rabbis who hold that it is only preferable in order to make the mitzvah nicer. Rambam (Lulav 7:4) and Shulchan Aruch O.C. 651:1 hold like the Rabbis.</ref>
	#The Etrog is not tied up with the other 3 minim. It is held in the left hand while the others are held in the right hand.<ref>Rambam (Lulav 7:4), Shulchan Aruch 651:2, Yalkut Yosef 651:2</ref>		#The Etrog is not tied up with the other 3 minim. It is held in the left hand while the others are held in the right hand.<ref>Rambam (Lulav 7:4), Shulchan Aruch 651:2, Yalkut Yosef 651:2</ref>
	#It is proper to bind the Lulav, Hadasim, and Aravot with a double knot.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 651:1</ref> The Ashkenazic minhag is to allow using the kashekel's (woven lulav leaf holders) and consider them to be a binding of the 3 minim.<ref>[https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=19746&pgnum=32 Agurah BeOhalecha 33] writes that using a woven lulav holder is valid since it keeps the 4 minim together and the egged doesn't need to be a knot, just something that is tight. Mishna Brurah 651:8 cites the Agura Bohalecha. Aruch Hashulchan 551:7 also allows using a kashekel because it looks nice. Bikkurei Yacov 651:8 writes that lulav rings as a binding is the equivalent of using a lulav kashekel. </ref> For Sephardim, it is advised to tie the Lulav, Hadasim, and Aravot and not just use a holder.<ref>[https://www.sefaria.org/Kaf_HaChayim_on_Shulchan_Arukh%2C_Orach_Chayim.651.11?lang=bi Kaf Hachaim 651:11], Yalkut Yosef 651:3, Chazon Ovadia p. 347, Rav Soloveitchik (Nefesh Harav p. 217). [https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=1120&pgnum=245 Bet Dovid 554] writes that a person should not use a woven lulav holder because it is necessary to have an eged that is tied together, such as a double knot. Kaf Hachaim writes that it is proper to be strict. Chazon Ovadia writes that it is proper to follow the Bet Dovid but there is what to rely upon to follow the Agura Bohalecha. Rav Soloveitchik held that the keshekel isn't a double knot and also there's an issue of taaseh v'lo min ha'asuy to take the minim out of the eged and replace them without retying it. (See Rashi and Rabbenu Chananel on Sukka 11a.) </ref>		#It is proper to bind the Lulav, Hadasim, and Aravot with a double knot.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 651:1</ref> The Ashkenazic minhag is to allow using the kashekel's (woven lulav leaf holders) and consider them to be a binding of the 3 minim.<ref>[https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=19746&pgnum=32 Agurah BeOhalecha 33] writes that using a woven lulav holder is valid since it keeps the 4 minim together and the egged doesn't need to be a knot, just something that is tight. Mishna Brurah 651:8 cites the Agura Bohalecha. Aruch Hashulchan 551:7 also allows using a kashekel because it looks nice. Rav Shmuel Kamenetsky (Kovetz Halachot Sukka p. 344) is lenient. Bikkurei Yacov 651:8 writes that lulav rings as a binding is the equivalent of using a lulav kashekel and he's strict to use a double knot. </ref> For Sephardim, it is advised to tie the Lulav, Hadasim, and Aravot and not just use a holder.<ref>[https://www.sefaria.org/Kaf_HaChayim_on_Shulchan_Arukh%2C_Orach_Chayim.651.11?lang=bi Kaf Hachaim 651:11], Yalkut Yosef 651:3, Chazon Ovadia p. 347, Rav Soloveitchik (Nefesh Harav p. 217). [https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=1120&pgnum=245 Bet Dovid 554] writes that a person should not use a woven lulav holder because it is necessary to have an eged that is tied together, such as a double knot. Kaf Hachaim writes that it is proper to be strict. Chazon Ovadia writes that it is proper to follow the Bet Dovid but there is what to rely upon to follow the Agura Bohalecha. Rav Soloveitchik held that the keshekel isn't a double knot and also there's an issue of taaseh v'lo min ha'asuy to take the minim out of the eged and replace them without retying it. (See Rashi and Rabbenu Chananel on Sukka 11a.) </ref>
	#If one forgot and didn't tie them before the holiday, one shouldn't tie them with a knot on Yom Tov.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 651:1 writes that one may not tie a knot for the purposes of binding the 3 minim. See, the Chida ([http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=33684&st=&pgnum=37 Moreh BeEtzbah n. 291]) seems to say that there's no issue of making knots with lulav leaves. Kaf HaChaim 651:19 rejects this opinion. Yalkut Yosef 651:6 writes that if one didn't tie it before Yom Tov there's what to rely on to tie it with a double knot on Yom Tov.</ref> Rather one should take a string, wrap them up, and tuck in the end of the string.<ref>Tur and Rama 651:1, Yalkut Yosef 651:6</ref>		#If one forgot and didn't tie them before the holiday, one shouldn't tie them with a knot on Yom Tov.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 651:1 writes that one may not tie a knot for the purposes of binding the 3 minim. See, the Chida ([http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=33684&st=&pgnum=37 Moreh BeEtzbah n. 291]) seems to say that there's no issue of making knots with lulav leaves. Kaf HaChaim 651:19 rejects this opinion. Yalkut Yosef 651:6 writes that if one didn't tie it before Yom Tov there's what to rely on to tie it with a double knot on Yom Tov.</ref> Rather one should take a string, wrap them up, and tuck in the end of the string.<ref>Tur and Rama 651:1, Yalkut Yosef 651:6</ref>
	##If one didn't do so before Yom Tov, it is permitted to peel off a leaf of the Lulav to hold the minim together with a slip knot or winding them together and tucking in the end.<ref>Kaf HaChaim 651:20</ref> The Ashkenazic minhag is to refrain from doing this except in private and in an abnormal fashion.<ref>Shaarei Teshuva 651:3, Piskei Teshuvot 651:3</ref>		##If one didn't do so before Yom Tov, it is permitted to peel off a leaf of the Lulav to hold the minim together with a slip knot or winding them together and tucking in the end.<ref>Kaf HaChaim 651:20</ref> The Ashkenazic minhag is to refrain from doing this except in private and in an abnormal fashion.<ref>Shaarei Teshuva 651:3, Piskei Teshuvot 651:3</ref>

YitzchakSultan1: /* How to Bind the 4 Minim (Eged) */

2026-03-16T21:14:30Z

How to Bind the 4 Minim (Eged)

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	#The halacha follows the opinion that it is not necessary to have the Lulav, Hadasim, and Aravot bound up together, however, it is a mitzvah and proper to do so to make the 4 minim look nicer.<ref>Gemara Sukkah 33a and 36b cites a dispute between Rabbi Yehuda who holds that there is an obligation to bind the 3 minim together and the Rabbis who hold that it is only preferable in order to make the mitzvah nicer. Rambam (Lulav 7:4) and Shulchan Aruch O.C. 651:1 hold like the Rabbis.</ref>		#The halacha follows the opinion that it is not necessary to have the Lulav, Hadasim, and Aravot bound up together, however, it is a mitzvah and proper to do so to make the 4 minim look nicer.<ref>Gemara Sukkah 33a and 36b cites a dispute between Rabbi Yehuda who holds that there is an obligation to bind the 3 minim together and the Rabbis who hold that it is only preferable in order to make the mitzvah nicer. Rambam (Lulav 7:4) and Shulchan Aruch O.C. 651:1 hold like the Rabbis.</ref>
	#The Etrog is not tied up with the other 3 minim. It is held in the left hand while the others are held in the right hand.<ref>Rambam (Lulav 7:4), Shulchan Aruch 651:2, Yalkut Yosef 651:2</ref>		#The Etrog is not tied up with the other 3 minim. It is held in the left hand while the others are held in the right hand.<ref>Rambam (Lulav 7:4), Shulchan Aruch 651:2, Yalkut Yosef 651:2</ref>
	#It is proper to bind the Lulav, Hadasim, and Aravot with a double knot.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 651:1</ref> The Ashkenazic minhag is to allow using the kashekel's (woven lulav leaf holders) and consider them to be a binding of the 3 minim.<ref>[https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=19746&pgnum=32 Agurah BeOhalecha 33] writes that using a woven lulav holder is valid since it keeps the 4 minim together and the egged doesn't need to be a knot, just something that is tight. Mishna Brurah 651:8 cites the Agura Bohalecha. Aruch Hashulchan 551:7 also allows using a kashekel because it looks nice. Bikkurei Yacov 651:8 writes that lulav rings as a binding is the equivalent of using a lulav kashekel. </ref> For Sephardim, it is advised to tie the Lulav, Hadasim, and Aravot and not just use a holder.<ref>Yalkut Yosef 651:3. [https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=1120&pgnum=245 Bet Dovid 554] writes that a person should not use a woven lulav holder because it is necessary to have an eged that is tied together, such as a double knot. </ref>		#It is proper to bind the Lulav, Hadasim, and Aravot with a double knot.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 651:1</ref> The Ashkenazic minhag is to allow using the kashekel's (woven lulav leaf holders) and consider them to be a binding of the 3 minim.<ref>[https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=19746&pgnum=32 Agurah BeOhalecha 33] writes that using a woven lulav holder is valid since it keeps the 4 minim together and the egged doesn't need to be a knot, just something that is tight. Mishna Brurah 651:8 cites the Agura Bohalecha. Aruch Hashulchan 551:7 also allows using a kashekel because it looks nice. Bikkurei Yacov 651:8 writes that lulav rings as a binding is the equivalent of using a lulav kashekel. </ref> For Sephardim, it is advised to tie the Lulav, Hadasim, and Aravot and not just use a holder.<ref>[https://www.sefaria.org/Kaf_HaChayim_on_Shulchan_Arukh%2C_Orach_Chayim.651.11?lang=bi Kaf Hachaim 651:11], Yalkut Yosef 651:3, Chazon Ovadia p. 347, Rav Soloveitchik (Nefesh Harav p. 217). [https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=1120&pgnum=245 Bet Dovid 554] writes that a person should not use a woven lulav holder because it is necessary to have an eged that is tied together, such as a double knot. Kaf Hachaim writes that it is proper to be strict. Chazon Ovadia writes that it is proper to follow the Bet Dovid but there is what to rely upon to follow the Agura Bohalecha. Rav Soloveitchik held that the keshekel isn't a double knot and also there's an issue of taaseh v'lo min ha'asuy to take the minim out of the eged and replace them without retying it. (See Rashi and Rabbenu Chananel on Sukka 11a.) </ref>
	#If one forgot and didn't tie them before the holiday, one shouldn't tie them with a knot on Yom Tov.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 651:1 writes that one may not tie a knot for the purposes of binding the 3 minim. See, the Chida ([http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=33684&st=&pgnum=37 Moreh BeEtzbah n. 291]) seems to say that there's no issue of making knots with lulav leaves. Kaf HaChaim 651:19 rejects this opinion. Yalkut Yosef 651:6 writes that if one didn't tie it before Yom Tov there's what to rely on to tie it with a double knot on Yom Tov.</ref> Rather one should take a string, wrap them up, and tuck in the end of the string.<ref>Tur and Rama 651:1, Yalkut Yosef 651:6</ref>		#If one forgot and didn't tie them before the holiday, one shouldn't tie them with a knot on Yom Tov.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 651:1 writes that one may not tie a knot for the purposes of binding the 3 minim. See, the Chida ([http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=33684&st=&pgnum=37 Moreh BeEtzbah n. 291]) seems to say that there's no issue of making knots with lulav leaves. Kaf HaChaim 651:19 rejects this opinion. Yalkut Yosef 651:6 writes that if one didn't tie it before Yom Tov there's what to rely on to tie it with a double knot on Yom Tov.</ref> Rather one should take a string, wrap them up, and tuck in the end of the string.<ref>Tur and Rama 651:1, Yalkut Yosef 651:6</ref>
	##If one didn't do so before Yom Tov, it is permitted to peel off a leaf of the Lulav to hold the minim together with a slip knot or winding them together and tucking in the end.<ref>Kaf HaChaim 651:20</ref> The Ashkenazic minhag is to refrain from doing this except in private and in an abnormal fashion.<ref>Shaarei Teshuva 651:3, Piskei Teshuvot 651:3</ref>		##If one didn't do so before Yom Tov, it is permitted to peel off a leaf of the Lulav to hold the minim together with a slip knot or winding them together and tucking in the end.<ref>Kaf HaChaim 651:20</ref> The Ashkenazic minhag is to refrain from doing this except in private and in an abnormal fashion.<ref>Shaarei Teshuva 651:3, Piskei Teshuvot 651:3</ref>

YitzchakSultan1: /* How to Bind the 4 Minim (Eged) */

2026-03-16T20:18:17Z

How to Bind the 4 Minim (Eged)

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	#The halacha follows the opinion that it is not necessary to have the Lulav, Hadasim, and Aravot bound up together, however, it is a mitzvah and proper to do so to make the 4 minim look nicer.<ref>Gemara Sukkah 33a and 36b cites a dispute between Rabbi Yehuda who holds that there is an obligation to bind the 3 minim together and the Rabbis who hold that it is only preferable in order to make the mitzvah nicer. Rambam (Lulav 7:4) and Shulchan Aruch O.C. 651:1 hold like the Rabbis.</ref>		#The halacha follows the opinion that it is not necessary to have the Lulav, Hadasim, and Aravot bound up together, however, it is a mitzvah and proper to do so to make the 4 minim look nicer.<ref>Gemara Sukkah 33a and 36b cites a dispute between Rabbi Yehuda who holds that there is an obligation to bind the 3 minim together and the Rabbis who hold that it is only preferable in order to make the mitzvah nicer. Rambam (Lulav 7:4) and Shulchan Aruch O.C. 651:1 hold like the Rabbis.</ref>
	#The Etrog is not tied up with the other 3 minim. It is held in the left hand while the others are held in the right hand.<ref>Rambam (Lulav 7:4), Shulchan Aruch 651:2, Yalkut Yosef 651:2</ref>		#The Etrog is not tied up with the other 3 minim. It is held in the left hand while the others are held in the right hand.<ref>Rambam (Lulav 7:4), Shulchan Aruch 651:2, Yalkut Yosef 651:2</ref>
	#It is proper to bind the Lulav, Hadasim, and Aravot with a double knot.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 651:1</ref> The Ashkenazic minhag is to allow using the kashekel's (woven lulav leaf holders) and consider them to be a binding of the 3 minim.<ref>[https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=19746&pgnum=32 Agurah BeOhalecha 33] writes that using a woven lulav holder is valid since it keeps the 4 minim together and the egged doesn't need to be a knot, just something that is tight. Mishna Brurah 651:8 cites the Agura Bohalecha. Bikkurei Yacov 651:8 writes that lulav rings as a binding is the equivalent of using a lulav kashekel. </ref> For Sephardim, it is advised to tie the Lulav, Hadasim, and Aravot and not just use a holder.<ref>Yalkut Yosef 651:3. [https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=1120&pgnum=245 Bet Dovid 554] writes that a person should not use a woven lulav holder because it is necessary to have an eged that is tied together, such as a double knot. </ref>		#It is proper to bind the Lulav, Hadasim, and Aravot with a double knot.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 651:1</ref> The Ashkenazic minhag is to allow using the kashekel's (woven lulav leaf holders) and consider them to be a binding of the 3 minim.<ref>[https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=19746&pgnum=32 Agurah BeOhalecha 33] writes that using a woven lulav holder is valid since it keeps the 4 minim together and the egged doesn't need to be a knot, just something that is tight. Mishna Brurah 651:8 cites the Agura Bohalecha. Aruch Hashulchan 551:7 also allows using a kashekel because it looks nice. Bikkurei Yacov 651:8 writes that lulav rings as a binding is the equivalent of using a lulav kashekel. </ref> For Sephardim, it is advised to tie the Lulav, Hadasim, and Aravot and not just use a holder.<ref>Yalkut Yosef 651:3. [https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=1120&pgnum=245 Bet Dovid 554] writes that a person should not use a woven lulav holder because it is necessary to have an eged that is tied together, such as a double knot. </ref>
	#If one forgot and didn't tie them before the holiday, one shouldn't tie them with a knot on Yom Tov.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 651:1 writes that one may not tie a knot for the purposes of binding the 3 minim. See, the Chida ([http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=33684&st=&pgnum=37 Moreh BeEtzbah n. 291]) seems to say that there's no issue of making knots with lulav leaves. Kaf HaChaim 651:19 rejects this opinion. Yalkut Yosef 651:6 writes that if one didn't tie it before Yom Tov there's what to rely on to tie it with a double knot on Yom Tov.</ref> Rather one should take a string, wrap them up, and tuck in the end of the string.<ref>Tur and Rama 651:1, Yalkut Yosef 651:6</ref>		#If one forgot and didn't tie them before the holiday, one shouldn't tie them with a knot on Yom Tov.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 651:1 writes that one may not tie a knot for the purposes of binding the 3 minim. See, the Chida ([http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=33684&st=&pgnum=37 Moreh BeEtzbah n. 291]) seems to say that there's no issue of making knots with lulav leaves. Kaf HaChaim 651:19 rejects this opinion. Yalkut Yosef 651:6 writes that if one didn't tie it before Yom Tov there's what to rely on to tie it with a double knot on Yom Tov.</ref> Rather one should take a string, wrap them up, and tuck in the end of the string.<ref>Tur and Rama 651:1, Yalkut Yosef 651:6</ref>
	##If one didn't do so before Yom Tov, it is permitted to peel off a leaf of the Lulav to hold the minim together with a slip knot or winding them together and tucking in the end.<ref>Kaf HaChaim 651:20</ref> The Ashkenazic minhag is to refrain from doing this except in private and in an abnormal fashion.<ref>Shaarei Teshuva 651:3, Piskei Teshuvot 651:3</ref>		##If one didn't do so before Yom Tov, it is permitted to peel off a leaf of the Lulav to hold the minim together with a slip knot or winding them together and tucking in the end.<ref>Kaf HaChaim 651:20</ref> The Ashkenazic minhag is to refrain from doing this except in private and in an abnormal fashion.<ref>Shaarei Teshuva 651:3, Piskei Teshuvot 651:3</ref>

YitzchakSultan1: /* How to Bind the 4 Minim (Eged) */

2026-03-16T20:13:58Z

How to Bind the 4 Minim (Eged)

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	#The halacha follows the opinion that it is not necessary to have the Lulav, Hadasim, and Aravot bound up together, however, it is a mitzvah and proper to do so to make the 4 minim look nicer.<ref>Gemara Sukkah 33a and 36b cites a dispute between Rabbi Yehuda who holds that there is an obligation to bind the 3 minim together and the Rabbis who hold that it is only preferable in order to make the mitzvah nicer. Rambam (Lulav 7:4) and Shulchan Aruch O.C. 651:1 hold like the Rabbis.</ref>		#The halacha follows the opinion that it is not necessary to have the Lulav, Hadasim, and Aravot bound up together, however, it is a mitzvah and proper to do so to make the 4 minim look nicer.<ref>Gemara Sukkah 33a and 36b cites a dispute between Rabbi Yehuda who holds that there is an obligation to bind the 3 minim together and the Rabbis who hold that it is only preferable in order to make the mitzvah nicer. Rambam (Lulav 7:4) and Shulchan Aruch O.C. 651:1 hold like the Rabbis.</ref>
	#The Etrog is not tied up with the other 3 minim. It is held in the left hand while the others are held in the right hand.<ref>Rambam (Lulav 7:4), Shulchan Aruch 651:2, Yalkut Yosef 651:2</ref>		#The Etrog is not tied up with the other 3 minim. It is held in the left hand while the others are held in the right hand.<ref>Rambam (Lulav 7:4), Shulchan Aruch 651:2, Yalkut Yosef 651:2</ref>
	#It is proper to bind the Lulav, Hadasim, and Aravot with a double knot.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 651:1</ref> The Ashkenazic minhag is to allow using the kashekel's (woven lulav leaf holders) and consider them to be a binding of the 3 minim.<ref>Mishna Brurah 651:8 ~~citing~~ the ~~Agurah BeOhalecha~~. Bikkurei Yacov 651:8 writes that lulav rings as a binding is the equivalent of using a lulav kashekel. </ref>For Sephardim, it is advised to tie the Lulav, Hadasim, and Aravot and not just use a holder.<ref>Yalkut Yosef 651:3</ref>		#It is proper to bind the Lulav, Hadasim, and Aravot with a double knot.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 651:1</ref> The Ashkenazic minhag is to allow using the kashekel's (woven lulav leaf holders) and consider them to be a binding of the 3 minim.<ref>[https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=19746&pgnum=32 Agurah BeOhalecha 33] writes that using a woven lulav holder is valid since it keeps the 4 minim together and the egged doesn't need to be a knot, just something that is tight. Mishna Brurah 651:8 cites the Agura Bohalecha. Bikkurei Yacov 651:8 writes that lulav rings as a binding is the equivalent of using a lulav kashekel. </ref> For Sephardim, it is advised to tie the Lulav, Hadasim, and Aravot and not just use a holder.<ref>Yalkut Yosef 651:3. [https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=1120&pgnum=245 Bet Dovid 554] writes that a person should not use a woven lulav holder because it is necessary to have an eged that is tied together, such as a double knot. </ref>
	#If one forgot and didn't tie them before the holiday, one shouldn't tie them with a knot on Yom Tov.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 651:1 writes that one may not tie a knot for the purposes of binding the 3 minim. See, the Chida ([http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=33684&st=&pgnum=37 Moreh BeEtzbah n. 291]) seems to say that there's no issue of making knots with lulav leaves. Kaf HaChaim 651:19 rejects this opinion. Yalkut Yosef 651:6 writes that if one didn't tie it before Yom Tov there's what to rely on to tie it with a double knot on Yom Tov.</ref> Rather one should take a string, wrap them up, and tuck in the end of the string.<ref>Tur and Rama 651:1, Yalkut Yosef 651:6</ref>		#If one forgot and didn't tie them before the holiday, one shouldn't tie them with a knot on Yom Tov.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 651:1 writes that one may not tie a knot for the purposes of binding the 3 minim. See, the Chida ([http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=33684&st=&pgnum=37 Moreh BeEtzbah n. 291]) seems to say that there's no issue of making knots with lulav leaves. Kaf HaChaim 651:19 rejects this opinion. Yalkut Yosef 651:6 writes that if one didn't tie it before Yom Tov there's what to rely on to tie it with a double knot on Yom Tov.</ref> Rather one should take a string, wrap them up, and tuck in the end of the string.<ref>Tur and Rama 651:1, Yalkut Yosef 651:6</ref>
	##If one didn't do so before Yom Tov, it is permitted to peel off a leaf of the Lulav to hold the minim together with a slip knot or winding them together and tucking in the end.<ref>Kaf HaChaim 651:20</ref> The Ashkenazic minhag is to refrain from doing this except in private and in an abnormal fashion.<ref>Shaarei Teshuva 651:3, Piskei Teshuvot 651:3</ref>		##If one didn't do so before Yom Tov, it is permitted to peel off a leaf of the Lulav to hold the minim together with a slip knot or winding them together and tucking in the end.<ref>Kaf HaChaim 651:20</ref> The Ashkenazic minhag is to refrain from doing this except in private and in an abnormal fashion.<ref>Shaarei Teshuva 651:3, Piskei Teshuvot 651:3</ref>