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	*Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 77:16 writes that one must eat bread for Seudat Shelishit, however, if one is very full and is unable, then one should eat [[Mezonot]]. If that is also impossible one should have food which usually accompany bread such as meat or fish. If that too is impossible one should have at least fruit cooked fruit.		*Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 77:16 writes that one must eat bread for Seudat Shelishit, however, if one is very full and is unable, then one should eat [[Mezonot]]. If that is also impossible one should have food which usually accompany bread such as meat or fish. If that too is impossible one should have at least fruit cooked fruit.
	*Aruch Hashulchan 291:12 says that it is not proper to rely on any of these opinions unless one is sick.		*Aruch Hashulchan 291:12 says that it is not proper to rely on any of these opinions unless one is sick.
	*Magen Avraham 444:2 when discussing what to do on erev [[pesach]] that falls out on [[shabbat]] gives several options and also quotes the Shla saying that one may fulfill seudat shlishit with divrei torah. The Rokeach 55 allows one to skip seudat shlishit to go here a shiur in the afternoon. Pri Megadim (E"A 290) disagrees and says one shouldn't miss seudat shlishit even to hear a shiur. Aruch Hashulchan 290:3 and Kaf Hachayim 290:14 agree with the Pri Megadim.</ref> One may not rely on this leniency of not having bread for the Friday night meal or the first daytime meal.<ref>Tosfot Pesachim 101a s.v. tiyma writes that even though it is possible to have targima for the seudat shelishit it is ineffective for the Friday night or first daytime meal since those are the main meals fulfilling kavod Shabbat (Oneg). Rabbenu Yonah Brachot 36b s.v. birchat explains it differently. He explains that it doesn't work for the first two meals since it is necessary to have a bread meal then since it is necessary to have bread for kiddush bmakom seudah.</ref>		*Magen Avraham 444:2 when discussing what to do on erev [[pesach]] that falls out on [[shabbat]] gives several options and also quotes the Shla saying that one may fulfill seudat shlishit with divrei torah. The Rokeach 55 allows one to skip seudat shlishit to go here a shiur in the afternoon. Pri Megadim (E"A 290) disagrees and says one shouldn't miss seudat shlishit even to hear a shiur. Aruch Hashulchan 290:3 and Kaf Hachayim 290:14 agree with the Pri Megadim.</ref> One may not rely on this leniency of not having bread for the Friday night meal or the first daytime meal.<ref>Tosfot Pesachim 101a s.v. tiyma writes that even though it is possible to have targima for the seudat shelishit it is ineffective for the Friday night or first daytime meal since those are the main meals fulfilling kavod Shabbat (Oneg). Rabbenu Yonah Brachot 36b s.v. birchat explains it differently. He explains that it doesn't work for the first two meals since it is necessary to have a bread meal then since it is necessary to have bread for kiddush bmakom seudah. Yachava Daat 2:20:2 writes that even the opinion who holds that seudah shelishit can be fulfilled with mezonot agrees that the first two meals of Shabbat require bread. He also quotes this from Shevet Halevi 1:57. Rav Dovid Yosef (Otzrot Yosef 18:4) notes several achronim who explain that you can fulfill any of the meals of Shabbat with mezonot, but defends his father's position. See also Chazon Ovadia v. 2 p. 194 and Yabia Omer 6:28:5. </ref>

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	*Tosafot Yoma 79b "minai" says that one must eat bread based on the connection between seuda shlishit and the manna. Rambam Hilchot [[Shabbat]] 30:9, Tur 291, Shulchan Aruch O.C. 291:4-5 all accept this opinion.		*Tosafot Yoma 79b "minai" says that one must eat bread based on the connection between seuda shlishit and the manna. Rambam Hilchot [[Shabbat]] 30:9, Tur 291, Shulchan Aruch O.C. 291:4-5 all accept this opinion.
	*Rabbenu Tam (cited by Tosfot Brachot 49b s.v. iy) held that it is possible to fulfill seuda shelishit without bread. His proof is Sukkah 27a that says that it is possible to fulfill a meal of sukkot with targima, which Tosfot explains is mezonot. Shibolei Haleket 93 ~~agrees~~. Rabbenu Yonah 36b s.v. birchat ~~quotes~~ this. Tosfot Yoma 79b s.v. mini argues that bread is necessary for all three meals since it is learned from the maan and he rejects Rabbenu Tam's proof. Tosfot Sukkah 27a s.v. bmini, Brachot 49b s.v. iy, Rosh Sukkah 2:13, Smag 27, and Hagahot Maimoniyot 30:6 agree. The Rosh Sukkah 2:13 ~~says~~ that minei targima are foods made from one of the five species of grain based on a Tosefta that says that the beracha on minei targima is borei minei [[mezonot]]. Tosafot to Succa 27a "minei targima" say that foods which usually accompany bread such as meat or fish are included in this as well. Rashi "minei targima" there, as well as Rabbeinu Yona [[Brachot]] 36b "birkat," and the Ran [[Shabbat]] 44a "v'ika" include even fruit in this category.		*Rabbenu Tam (cited by Tosfot Brachot 49b s.v. iy) held that it is possible to fulfill seuda shelishit without bread. His proof is Sukkah 27a that says that it is possible to fulfill a meal of sukkot with targima, which Tosfot explains is mezonot. Teshuvot Hageonim (Shaarei Teshuva 192, presumably written by Rabbenu Tam), Ravyah (cited by Mordechai Shabbat remez 397) and Shibolei Haleket 93 agree. Rabbenu Yonah (36b s.v. birchat) and Ran (Shabbat 44a) quote this view of Rabbenu Tam. However, Tosfot (Yoma 79b s.v. mini) argues that bread is necessary for all three meals since it is learned from the maan and he rejects Rabbenu Tam's proof. Tosfot (Sukkah 27a s.v. bmini, Brachot 49b s.v. iy), Rosh (Sukkah 2:13), Smag 27, and Hagahot Maimoniyot 30:6 agree. The Rosh (Sukkah 2:13) writes that minei targima are foods made from one of the five species of grain based on a Tosefta that says that the beracha on minei targima is borei minei [[mezonot]]. Tosafot to Succa 27a "minei targima" say that foods which usually accompany bread such as meat or fish are included in this as well. Rashi "minei targima" there, as well as Rabbeinu Yona [[Brachot]] 36b "birkat," and the Ran [[Shabbat]] 44a "v'ika" include even fruit in this category.
	*Shulchan Aruch O.C. 291:5 quotes all these opinions and concludes that one should eat bread.		*Shulchan Aruch O.C. 291:5 quotes all these opinions and concludes that one should eat bread.
	*Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 77:16 writes that one must eat bread for Seudat Shelishit, however, if one is very full and is unable, then one should eat [[Mezonot]]. If that is also impossible one should have food which usually accompany bread such as meat or fish. If that too is impossible one should have at least fruit cooked fruit.		*Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 77:16 writes that one must eat bread for Seudat Shelishit, however, if one is very full and is unable, then one should eat [[Mezonot]]. If that is also impossible one should have food which usually accompany bread such as meat or fish. If that too is impossible one should have at least fruit cooked fruit.

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	#According to Sephardim, one should be careful to have two whole loaves of bread for [[Lechem Mishneh]] at ~~seudat~~ shelishit.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 291:4, based on Rambam [[Shabbat]] 30:9. This is based on the gemara shabbat 117b, in which rebbe abba states that a person is obligated to make hamotzi on two loaves of bread on shabbat, since the pasuk by the manna describes how on Friday in the desert, bnei yisroel would collect "לחם משנה" (lit: a double portion). The Aruch Hashulchan 291:11 points out that the gemara doesn't specify which meal on shabbat it is referring to, and thus presumably refers to all three of them. Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 77:17 simply writes that one should have [[Lechem Mishneh]] for all three meals of [[Shabbat]].</ref> However, according to Ashkenazim, it's preferable to have two whole loaves, but it's sufficient to have just one whole loaf.<ref>Rama 291:4. The Tur (siman 291) quotes the Yerushalmi and Mechilta that an omer of manna provided enough for two loaves, and so if 2 omers fell on Friday, this provided enough for 4 loaves. They would eat 1 of them Friday morning, 1 Friday night (at the shabbat seuda), and 1 more at the seuda shabbat day. This left only 1 loaf left for seuda shlishit, thus proving that one does not need lechem mishnah for seuda shlishit. The Beit yosef cites this as the position of the Shibolei Haleket as well. However, he cites numerous rishonim who disagreed and ideally required two loaves at seuda shlishit as well, including the Mordechai, Rabbenu Yerucham, Maggid Mishnah, teshuvot attributed to the Ramban, and Maharam. Hence, the psak of the Rama that ideally one should have lechem mishnah, despite the common minhag being to have only one. </ref>		#According to Sephardim, one should be careful to have two whole loaves of bread for [[Lechem Mishneh]] at seuda shelishit.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 291:4, based on Rambam [[Shabbat]] 30:9. This is based on the gemara shabbat 117b, in which rebbe abba states that a person is obligated to make hamotzi on two loaves of bread on shabbat, since the pasuk by the manna describes how on Friday in the desert, bnei yisroel would collect "לחם משנה" (lit: a double portion). The Aruch Hashulchan 291:11 points out that the gemara doesn't specify which meal on shabbat it is referring to, and thus presumably refers to all three of them. Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 77:17 simply writes that one should have [[Lechem Mishneh]] for all three meals of [[Shabbat]].</ref> However, according to Ashkenazim, it's preferable to have two whole loaves, but it's sufficient to have just one whole loaf.<ref>Rama 291:4. The Tur (siman 291) quotes the Yerushalmi and Mechilta that an omer of manna provided enough for two loaves, and so if 2 omers fell on Friday, this provided enough for 4 loaves. They would eat 1 of them Friday morning, 1 Friday night (at the shabbat seuda), and 1 more at the seuda shabbat day. This left only 1 loaf left for seuda shlishit, thus proving that one does not need lechem mishnah for seuda shlishit. The Beit yosef cites this as the position of the Shibolei Haleket as well. However, he cites numerous rishonim who disagreed and ideally required two loaves at seuda shlishit as well, including the Mordechai, Rabbenu Yerucham, Maggid Mishnah, teshuvot attributed to the Ramban, and Maharam. Hence, the psak of the Rama that ideally one should have lechem mishnah, despite the common minhag being to have only one. </ref>
	#If one only has one whole loaf of bread and a broken piece, one should use the whole one for seuda shelishit instead of saving it for [[Melava Malka]].<ref>Beiur Halacha 291 s.v. VeLePachot </ref>		#If one only has one whole loaf of bread and a broken piece, one should use the whole one for seuda shelishit instead of saving it for [[Melava Malka]].<ref>Beiur Halacha 291 s.v. VeLePachot </ref>

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	*Mishna Brurah 299:1 says that if one hasn't yet eaten the meal or is really starving then one can still eat until a half hour before tzet hakovachim. R. Avraham Chaim Naeh in Ketzot HaShulchan (chapter 94 note 6), notes that Mishna Brurah's ruling that one may eat until a half hour prior to nightfall is following the opinion of Rabbeinu Tam that nightfall is seventy-two minutes after sundown. However, according to the Vilna Gaon, nightfall can be within one half hour of sunset. If so, one who follows the opinion of the Vilna Gaon would be prohibited from starting to eat one half hour before nightfall (of the Vilna Gaon) which is prior to sunset. Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach quoted in Shemirat Shabbat Kehilchata chapter 56 note 17 says that since even those who follow the opinion of the Vilna Gaon with regards to when to end [[Shabbat]] will never actually recite [[Havdalah]] within one-half hour of sunset, they may start eating up until sundown.		*Mishna Brurah 299:1 says that if one hasn't yet eaten the meal or is really starving then one can still eat until a half hour before tzet hakovachim. R. Avraham Chaim Naeh in Ketzot HaShulchan (chapter 94 note 6), notes that Mishna Brurah's ruling that one may eat until a half hour prior to nightfall is following the opinion of Rabbeinu Tam that nightfall is seventy-two minutes after sundown. However, according to the Vilna Gaon, nightfall can be within one half hour of sunset. If so, one who follows the opinion of the Vilna Gaon would be prohibited from starting to eat one half hour before nightfall (of the Vilna Gaon) which is prior to sunset. Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach quoted in Shemirat Shabbat Kehilchata chapter 56 note 17 says that since even those who follow the opinion of the Vilna Gaon with regards to when to end [[Shabbat]] will never actually recite [[Havdalah]] within one-half hour of sunset, they may start eating up until sundown.
	*Rav Moshe Feinstein (quoted in The Radiance of Shabbos ch. 15 note 36) can start up until nine minutes after sunset. Pninei Halacha [[Shabbat]] vol. 1 page 130 quotes Rav Moshe Feinstein Iggerot Moshe 4:62 that one has until thirteen minutes and a half minutes after sunset.		*Rav Moshe Feinstein (quoted in The Radiance of Shabbos ch. 15 note 36) can start up until nine minutes after sunset. Pninei Halacha [[Shabbat]] vol. 1 page 130 quotes Rav Moshe Feinstein Iggerot Moshe 4:62 that one has until thirteen minutes and a half minutes after sunset.
	*Yalkut Yosef [[shabbat]] 1 page 414 allows one to start until thirteen and a half minutes after sunset.</ref>		*Yalkut Yosef [[shabbat]] 1 page 414 allows one to start until thirteen and a half minutes after sunset.</ref> Others disagree.<ref>Kuntres Seyda Lderech p. 39 quotes Chazon Ish that one may not start seuda shelishit after sunset.</ref>
	#If one began eating before sunset he may continue to eat even after nightfall.<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 299:1, Aruch Hashulchan 299:3. Mishna Brurah 291:2 says that having said the beracha is enough of a start to your meal to allow one to continue afterwards. He also quotes an opinion that this only applies during bein hashemashot but after [[Tzet HaKochavim]] one would not be allowed to continue. Rama says that the minhag is not so, rather one can continue even after [[Tzet HaKochavim]], and the Aruch Hashulchan 299:4 says that is the minhag. </ref> However, this doesn't apply if one was only drinking not as part of a meal<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 299:1 </ref> or to eating only [[mezonot]] or fruit, so one must stop if that is all that he is having. <ref>Aruch Hashulchan 299:5 </ref>		#If one began eating before sunset he may continue to eat even after nightfall.<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 299:1, Aruch Hashulchan 299:3. Mishna Brurah 291:2 says that having said the beracha is enough of a start to your meal to allow one to continue afterwards. He also quotes an opinion that this only applies during bein hashemashot but after [[Tzet HaKochavim]] one would not be allowed to continue. Rama says that the minhag is not so, rather one can continue even after [[Tzet HaKochavim]], and the Aruch Hashulchan 299:4 says that is the minhag. </ref> However, this doesn't apply if one was only drinking not as part of a meal<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 299:1 </ref> or to eating only [[mezonot]] or fruit, so one must stop if that is all that he is having. <ref>Aruch Hashulchan 299:5 </ref>

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	#The earliest time to fulfill Seudat Shelishit is from 6 and a 1/2 hours ([[Shaot Zmaniot]]) into the day. <ref>Shulchan Aruch 291:2, Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 77:16, Yalkut Yosef [[shabbat]] volume 1 page 402. The Behag quoted by the Ran [[Shabbat]] 43b "tanu rabanan" says that it could be eaten at any time of the day, but Tosfot [[Shabbat]] 118a "bimincha" and Rosh [[Shabbat]] 16:5 say that it is specifically at the start of [[Mincha]] gedola. Rambam Shabbat 30:9, Hagahot Maimoniyot 30:8, and Sh"t Min Hashamayim 14 write that seudat shelishit is specifically in the afternoon. Shibolei Haleket 93 quotes some say it must be after 4 hours into the day but he disagrees and says it could be anytime. Shulchan Aruch rules like Tosfot and the Rosh. Aruch Hashulchan 291:3 says that you don't fulfill your obligation if you eat earlier than that. </ref> If one began before the time and continued and ate at least a [[Kezayit]] after the time he does fulfill his obligation for seuda shlishit. <ref>Yalkut Yosef [[shabbat]] volume 1 page 402. Aruch Hashulchan 291:6 says also that if one began before mid-day and had in mind to continue until after mid-day and fulfill his obligation then he does fulfill it. </ref>		#The earliest time to fulfill Seudat Shelishit is from 6 and a 1/2 hours ([[Shaot Zmaniot]]) into the day. <ref>Shulchan Aruch 291:2, Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 77:16, Yalkut Yosef [[shabbat]] volume 1 page 402. The Behag quoted by the Ran [[Shabbat]] 43b "tanu rabanan" says that it could be eaten at any time of the day, but Tosfot [[Shabbat]] 118a "bimincha" and Rosh [[Shabbat]] 16:5 say that it is specifically at the start of [[Mincha]] gedola. Rambam Shabbat 30:9, Hagahot Maimoniyot 30:8, and Sh"t Min Hashamayim 14 write that seudat shelishit is specifically in the afternoon. Shibolei Haleket 93 quotes some say it must be after 4 hours into the day but he disagrees and says it could be anytime. Shulchan Aruch rules like Tosfot and the Rosh. Aruch Hashulchan 291:3 says that you don't fulfill your obligation if you eat earlier than that. </ref> If one began before the time and continued and ate at least a [[Kezayit]] after the time he does fulfill his obligation for seuda shlishit. <ref>Yalkut Yosef [[shabbat]] volume 1 page 402. Aruch Hashulchan 291:6 says also that if one began before mid-day and had in mind to continue until after mid-day and fulfill his obligation then he does fulfill it. </ref>
	#The Minhag is to eat Seudat Shelishit between [[Mincha]] and [[Maariv]]/Arvit. <ref>Rama 291:2. Yalkut Yosef [[shabbat]] volume 1 page 402-403 Rabbeinu Tam quoted by the Tosfot Pesachim 105a "vihani milei", as well as the Rosh [[Shabbat]] 10:13 say that one should eat before saying [[Mincha]] because it is forbidden to drink water between [[Mincha]] and [[Mariv/Arvit\|Arvit]] on [[shabbat]] because drinking between [[Mincha]] and [[Mariv/Arvit\|Arvit]] could cause harm to the souls that leave after [[shabbat]]. Rambam Hilchot [[Shabbat]] 30:10 writes that it is best to eat it after saying [[Mincha]] and the hagahot maimoniot hilchot [[shabbat]] 30:20 agrees and quotes a different version of rabbeinu tam. The Rama quotes both opinions and says that the minhag is to do like the Rambam. The Magen Avraham 291:5 says this is because of the prohibition to eat before [[davening]] [[mincha]]. Aruch Hashulchan 291:4 also says the minhag is that way also. </ref> If one is unable to have it after [[Mincha]] one should have it before [[mincha]]. <ref>Aruch HaShulchan 291:4. Mishna Brurah 291:11 says to make sure to eat before the time of [[Mincha]] ketana arrives. Yalkut Yosef [[Shabbat]] volume 1 page 402 says also that you fulfill your obligation but should try to get somebody to remind you to say [[Mincha]] if you are going to eat before saying it. </ref>		#The Minhag is to eat Seudat Shelishit between [[Mincha]] and [[Maariv]]/Arvit.<ref>Rama O.C. 291:2. Yalkut Yosef [[shabbat]] volume 1 page 402-403 Rabbeinu Tam quoted by the Tosfot Pesachim 105a "vihani milei", as well as the Rosh [[Shabbat]] 10:13 say that one should eat before saying [[Mincha]] because it is forbidden to drink water between [[Mincha]] and [[Mariv/Arvit\|Arvit]] on [[shabbat]] because drinking between [[Mincha]] and [[Mariv/Arvit\|Arvit]] could cause harm to the souls that leave after [[shabbat]]. Rambam Hilchot [[Shabbat]] 30:10 writes that it is best to eat it after saying [[Mincha]] and the hagahot maimoniot hilchot [[shabbat]] 30:20 agrees and quotes a different version of rabbeinu tam. The Rama quotes both opinions and says that the minhag is to do like the Rambam. The Magen Avraham 291:5 says this is because of the prohibition to eat before [[davening]] [[mincha]]. Aruch Hashulchan 291:4 also says the minhag is that way also. </ref> If one is unable to have it after [[Mincha]] one should have it before [[mincha]]. <ref>Aruch HaShulchan 291:4. Mishna Brurah 291:11 says to make sure to eat before the time of [[Mincha]] ketana arrives. Yalkut Yosef [[Shabbat]] volume 1 page 402 says also that you fulfill your obligation but should try to get somebody to remind you to say [[Mincha]] if you are going to eat before saying it. </ref>
	#Although it is forbidden to begin eating after sunset until one says [[Havdalah]],<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 299:1, Rif Pesachim 21b. </ref> and it is definitely preferable to eat before sunset, <ref>Mishna Brurah 299:1, Magen Avraham 299:1. See Shmirat [[Shabbat]] Kihilchita chapter 56 note 15 where he says that the idea that one should eat at least a [[Kezayit]] of bread after [[Tzet HaKochavim]] on Friday night quoted in Mishna Brurah 267:5, because there is an opinion that says you cannot fulfill a seudat [[shabbat]] during tosefet [[shabbat]], should carry over to seudat shlishit, and therefore to satisfy this opinion one should be stringent and eat prior to sunset. </ref> some poskim give extra time to begin the meal if one hasn't yet eaten seuda shlishit. Some say one can start up to 9 minutes or 13.5 minutes after sunset.<ref>Shaar Hatziyun 299:2 gives two reasons for this. First, he says one can rely on the opinion of the Taz 299:1 who thinks that the Rosh Pesachim 12:10 allows eating until nightfall since there is a potential fulfillment of a mitzva. Second, the potential fulfillment of the mitzvah of [[seudah]] shlishit should override the potential prohibition of eating during bein hashimashot. Menuchat Ahava (v. 1, p. 184) agrees.		#Although it is forbidden to begin eating after sunset until one says [[Havdalah]],<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 299:1, Rif Pesachim 21b. </ref> and it is definitely preferable to eat before sunset,<ref>Mishna Brurah 299:1, Magen Avraham 299:1. See Shmirat [[Shabbat]] Kihilchita chapter 56 note 15 where he says that the idea that one should eat at least a [[Kezayit]] of bread after [[Tzet HaKochavim]] on Friday night quoted in Mishna Brurah 267:5, because there is an opinion that says you cannot fulfill a seudat [[shabbat]] during tosefet [[shabbat]], should carry over to seudat shlishit, and therefore to satisfy this opinion one should be stringent and eat prior to sunset. </ref> some poskim give extra time to begin the meal if one hasn't yet eaten seuda shlishit. Some say one can start up to 9 minutes or 13.5 minutes after sunset.<ref>Shaar Hatziyun 299:2 gives two reasons for this. First, he says one can rely on the opinion of the Taz 299:1 who thinks that the Rosh Pesachim 12:10 allows eating until nightfall since there is a potential fulfillment of a mitzva. Second, the potential fulfillment of the mitzvah of [[seudah]] shlishit should override the potential prohibition of eating during bein hashimashot. Menuchat Ahava (v. 1, p. 184) agrees.
			*Mishna Brurah 299:1 says that if one hasn't yet eaten the meal or is really starving then one can still eat until a half hour before tzet hakovachim. R. Avraham Chaim Naeh in Ketzot HaShulchan (chapter 94 note 6), notes that Mishna Brurah's ruling that one may eat until a half hour prior to nightfall is following the opinion of Rabbeinu Tam that nightfall is seventy-two minutes after sundown. However, according to the Vilna Gaon, nightfall can be within one half hour of sunset. If so, one who follows the opinion of the Vilna Gaon would be prohibited from starting to eat one half hour before nightfall (of the Vilna Gaon) which is prior to sunset. Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach quoted in Shemirat Shabbat Kehilchata chapter 56 note 17 says that since even those who follow the opinion of the Vilna Gaon with regards to when to end [[Shabbat]] will never actually recite [[Havdalah]] within one-half hour of sunset, they may start eating up until sundown.
	*Mishna Brurah 299:1 says that if one hasn't yet eaten the meal or is really starving then one can still eat until a half hour before tzet hakovachim. R. Avraham Chaim Naeh in Ketzot HaShulchan (chapter 94 note 6), notes that Mishna Brurah's ruling that one may eat until a half hour prior to nightfall is following the opinion of Rabbeinu Tam that nightfall is seventy-two minutes after sundown. However, according to the Vilna Gaon, nightfall can be within one half hour of sunset. If so, one who follows the opinion of the Vilna Gaon would be prohibited from starting to eat one half hour before nightfall (of the Vilna Gaon) which is prior to sunset. Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach quoted in Shemirat Shabbat Kehilchata chapter 56 note 17 says that since even those who follow the opinion of the Vilna Gaon with regards to when to end [[~~shabbat~~]] will never actually recite [[Havdalah]] within one-half hour of sunset, they may start eating up until sundown.		*Rav Moshe Feinstein (quoted in The Radiance of Shabbos ch. 15 note 36) can start up until nine minutes after sunset. Pninei Halacha [[Shabbat]] vol. 1 page 130 quotes Rav Moshe Feinstein Iggerot Moshe 4:62 that one has until thirteen minutes and a half minutes after sunset.
	*Rav Moshe Feinstein quoted in The Radiance of [[Shabbos~~]] Chapter~~ 15 note 36 can start up until nine minutes after sunset. Pninei Halacha [[Shabbat]] vol. 1 page 130 quotes Rav Moshe Feinstein Iggerot Moshe 4:62 that one has until thirteen minutes and a half minutes after sunset.
	*Yalkut Yosef [[shabbat]] 1 page 414 allows one to start until thirteen and a half minutes after sunset.</ref>		*Yalkut Yosef [[shabbat]] 1 page 414 allows one to start until thirteen and a half minutes after sunset.</ref>
	#If one began eating before sunset he may continue to eat even after nightfall.<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 299:1, Aruch Hashulchan 299:3. Mishna Brurah 291:2 says that having said the beracha is enough of a start to your meal to allow one to continue afterwards. He also quotes an opinion that this only applies during bein hashemashot but after [[Tzet HaKochavim]] one would not be allowed to continue. Rama says that the minhag is not so, rather one can continue even after [[Tzet HaKochavim]], and the Aruch Hashulchan 299:4 says that is the minhag. </ref> However, this doesn't apply if one was only drinking not as part of a meal<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 299:1 </ref> or to eating only [[mezonot]] or fruit, so one must stop if that is all that he is having. <ref>Aruch Hashulchan 299:5 </ref>		#If one began eating before sunset he may continue to eat even after nightfall.<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 299:1, Aruch Hashulchan 299:3. Mishna Brurah 291:2 says that having said the beracha is enough of a start to your meal to allow one to continue afterwards. He also quotes an opinion that this only applies during bein hashemashot but after [[Tzet HaKochavim]] one would not be allowed to continue. Rama says that the minhag is not so, rather one can continue even after [[Tzet HaKochavim]], and the Aruch Hashulchan 299:4 says that is the minhag. </ref> However, this doesn't apply if one was only drinking not as part of a meal<ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 299:1 </ref> or to eating only [[mezonot]] or fruit, so one must stop if that is all that he is having. <ref>Aruch Hashulchan 299:5 </ref>

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	# The earliest time to fulfill Seudat Shelishit is from 6 and a 1/2 hours ([[Shaot Zmaniot]]) into the day. <ref>Shulchan Aruch 291:2, Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 77:16, Yalkut Yosef [[shabbat]] volume 1 page 402. The Behag quoted by the Ran [[Shabbat]] 43b "tanu rabanan" says that it could be eaten at any time of the day, but Tosfot [[Shabbat]] 118a "bimincha" and Rosh [[Shabbat]] 16:5 say that it is specifically at the start of [[Mincha]] gedola. Rambam Shabbat 30:9, Hagahot Maimoniyot 30:8, and Sh"t Min Hashamayim 14 write that seudat shelishit is specifically in the afternoon. Shibolei Haleket 93 quotes some say it must be after 4 hours into the day but he disagrees and says it could be anytime. Shulchan Aruch rules like Tosfot and the Rosh. Aruch Hashulchan 291:3 says that you don't fulfill your obligation if you eat earlier than that. </ref> If one began before the time and continued and ate at least a [[Kezayit]] after the time he does fulfill his obligation for seuda shlishit. <ref> Yalkut Yosef [[shabbat]] volume 1 page 402. Aruch Hashulchan 291:6 says also that if one began before mid-day and had in mind to continue until after mid-day and fulfill his obligation then he does fulfill it. </ref>		# The earliest time to fulfill Seudat Shelishit is from 6 and a 1/2 hours ([[Shaot Zmaniot]]) into the day. <ref>Shulchan Aruch 291:2, Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 77:16, Yalkut Yosef [[shabbat]] volume 1 page 402. The Behag quoted by the Ran [[Shabbat]] 43b "tanu rabanan" says that it could be eaten at any time of the day, but Tosfot [[Shabbat]] 118a "bimincha" and Rosh [[Shabbat]] 16:5 say that it is specifically at the start of [[Mincha]] gedola. Rambam Shabbat 30:9, Hagahot Maimoniyot 30:8, and Sh"t Min Hashamayim 14 write that seudat shelishit is specifically in the afternoon. Shibolei Haleket 93 quotes some say it must be after 4 hours into the day but he disagrees and says it could be anytime. Shulchan Aruch rules like Tosfot and the Rosh. Aruch Hashulchan 291:3 says that you don't fulfill your obligation if you eat earlier than that. </ref> If one began before the time and continued and ate at least a [[Kezayit]] after the time he does fulfill his obligation for seuda shlishit. <ref> Yalkut Yosef [[shabbat]] volume 1 page 402. Aruch Hashulchan 291:6 says also that if one began before mid-day and had in mind to continue until after mid-day and fulfill his obligation then he does fulfill it. </ref>
	# The Minhag is to eat Seudat Shelishit between [[Mincha]] and [[Maariv]]/Arvit. <ref> Rama 291:2. Yalkut Yosef [[shabbat]] volume 1 page 402-403 Rabbeinu Tam quoted by the Tosfot Pesachim 105a "vihani milei", as well as the Rosh [[Shabbat]] 10:13 say that one should eat before saying [[Mincha]] because it is forbidden to drink water between [[Mincha]] and [[Mariv/Arvit\|Arvit]] on [[shabbat]] because drinking between [[Mincha]] and [[Mariv/Arvit\|Arvit]] could cause harm to the souls that leave after [[shabbat]]. Rambam Hilchot [[Shabbat]] 30:10 writes that it is best to eat it after saying [[Mincha]] and the hagahot maimoniot hilchot [[shabbat]] 30:20 agrees and quotes a different version of rabbeinu tam. The Rama quotes both opinions and says that the minhag is to do like the Rambam. The Magen Avraham 291:5 says this is because of the prohibition to eat before [[davening]] [[mincha]]. Aruch Hashulchan 291:4 also says the minhag is that way also. </ref> If one is unable to have it after [[Mincha]] one should have it before [[mincha]]. <ref> Aruch HaShulchan 291:4. Mishna Brurah 291:11 says to make sure to eat before the time of [[Mincha]] ketana arrives. Yalkut Yosef [[Shabbat]] volume 1 page 402 says also that you fulfill your obligation but should try to get somebody to remind you to say [[Mincha]] if you are going to eat before saying it. </ref>		# The Minhag is to eat Seudat Shelishit between [[Mincha]] and [[Maariv]]/Arvit. <ref> Rama 291:2. Yalkut Yosef [[shabbat]] volume 1 page 402-403 Rabbeinu Tam quoted by the Tosfot Pesachim 105a "vihani milei", as well as the Rosh [[Shabbat]] 10:13 say that one should eat before saying [[Mincha]] because it is forbidden to drink water between [[Mincha]] and [[Mariv/Arvit\|Arvit]] on [[shabbat]] because drinking between [[Mincha]] and [[Mariv/Arvit\|Arvit]] could cause harm to the souls that leave after [[shabbat]]. Rambam Hilchot [[Shabbat]] 30:10 writes that it is best to eat it after saying [[Mincha]] and the hagahot maimoniot hilchot [[shabbat]] 30:20 agrees and quotes a different version of rabbeinu tam. The Rama quotes both opinions and says that the minhag is to do like the Rambam. The Magen Avraham 291:5 says this is because of the prohibition to eat before [[davening]] [[mincha]]. Aruch Hashulchan 291:4 also says the minhag is that way also. </ref> If one is unable to have it after [[Mincha]] one should have it before [[mincha]]. <ref> Aruch HaShulchan 291:4. Mishna Brurah 291:11 says to make sure to eat before the time of [[Mincha]] ketana arrives. Yalkut Yosef [[Shabbat]] volume 1 page 402 says also that you fulfill your obligation but should try to get somebody to remind you to say [[Mincha]] if you are going to eat before saying it. </ref>
	# Although it is forbidden to begin eating after sunset until one says [[Havdalah]], <ref> Shulchan Aruch 299:1, Rif Pesachim 21b. </ref> and it is definitely preferable to eat before sunset, <ref> Mishna Brurah 299:1, Magen Avraham 299:1. See Shmirat [[Shabbat]] Kihilchita chapter 56 note 15 where he says that the idea that one should eat at least a [[Kezayit]] of bread after [[Tzet HaKochavim]] on ~~friday~~ night quoted in Mishna Brurah 267:5, because there is an opinion that says you cannot fulfill a seudat [[shabbat]] during tosefet [[shabbat]], should carry over to seudat shlishit, and therefore to satisfy this opinion one should be stringent and eat prior to sunset. </ref> some poskim give extra time to begin the meal if one hasn't yet eaten seuda shlishit. <ref> Shaar Hatziyun 299:2 gives two reasons for this. First, he says one can rely on the opinion of the Taz 299:1 who thinks that the Rosh Pesachim 12:10 allows eating until nightfall since there is a potential fulfillment of a mitzva. Second, the potential fulfillment of the mitzvah of [[seudah]] shlishit should override the potential prohibition of eating during bein hashimashot. Menuchat Ahava (v. 1, p. 184) agrees.		# Although it is forbidden to begin eating after sunset until one says [[Havdalah]],<ref> Shulchan Aruch O.C. 299:1, Rif Pesachim 21b. </ref> and it is definitely preferable to eat before sunset, <ref> Mishna Brurah 299:1, Magen Avraham 299:1. See Shmirat [[Shabbat]] Kihilchita chapter 56 note 15 where he says that the idea that one should eat at least a [[Kezayit]] of bread after [[Tzet HaKochavim]] on Friday night quoted in Mishna Brurah 267:5, because there is an opinion that says you cannot fulfill a seudat [[shabbat]] during tosefet [[shabbat]], should carry over to seudat shlishit, and therefore to satisfy this opinion one should be stringent and eat prior to sunset. </ref> some poskim give extra time to begin the meal if one hasn't yet eaten seuda shlishit. Some say one can start up to 9 minutes or 13.5 minutes after sunset.<ref> Shaar Hatziyun 299:2 gives two reasons for this. First, he says one can rely on the opinion of the Taz 299:1 who thinks that the Rosh Pesachim 12:10 allows eating until nightfall since there is a potential fulfillment of a mitzva. Second, the potential fulfillment of the mitzvah of [[seudah]] shlishit should override the potential prohibition of eating during bein hashimashot. Menuchat Ahava (v. 1, p. 184) agrees.
	*Mishna Brurah 299:1 says that if one hasn't yet eaten the meal or is really starving then one can still eat until a half hour before tzet hakovachim. R. Avraham Chaim Naeh in Ketzot HaShulchan (chapter 94 note 6), notes that Mishna Brurah's ruling that one may eat until a half hour prior to nightfall is following the opinion of Rabbeinu Tam that nightfall is seventy-two minutes after sundown. However, according to the Vilna Gaon, nightfall can be within one half hour of sunset. If so, one who follows the opinion of the Vilna Gaon would be prohibited from starting to eat one half hour before nightfall (of the Vilna Gaon) which is prior to sunset. Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach quoted in Shemirat Shabbat Kehilchata chapter 56 note 17 says that since even those who follow the opinion of the Vilna Gaon with regards to when to end [[shabbat]] will never actually recite [[Havdalah]] within one-half hour of sunset, they may start eating up until sundown.		*Mishna Brurah 299:1 says that if one hasn't yet eaten the meal or is really starving then one can still eat until a half hour before tzet hakovachim. R. Avraham Chaim Naeh in Ketzot HaShulchan (chapter 94 note 6), notes that Mishna Brurah's ruling that one may eat until a half hour prior to nightfall is following the opinion of Rabbeinu Tam that nightfall is seventy-two minutes after sundown. However, according to the Vilna Gaon, nightfall can be within one half hour of sunset. If so, one who follows the opinion of the Vilna Gaon would be prohibited from starting to eat one half hour before nightfall (of the Vilna Gaon) which is prior to sunset. Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach quoted in Shemirat Shabbat Kehilchata chapter 56 note 17 says that since even those who follow the opinion of the Vilna Gaon with regards to when to end [[shabbat]] will never actually recite [[Havdalah]] within one-half hour of sunset, they may start eating up until sundown.
	*Rav Moshe Feinstein quoted in The Radiance of [[Shabbos]] Chapter 15 note 36 can start up until nine minutes after sunset. Pninei Halacha [[Shabbat]] vol. 1 page 130 quotes Rav Moshe Feinstein Iggerot Moshe 4:69:6 that one has until thirteen minutes and a half minutes after sunset.		*Rav Moshe Feinstein quoted in The Radiance of [[Shabbos]] Chapter 15 note 36 can start up until nine minutes after sunset. Pninei Halacha [[Shabbat]] vol. 1 page 130 quotes Rav Moshe Feinstein Iggerot Moshe 4:69:6 that one has until thirteen minutes and a half minutes after sunset.
	*Yalkut Yosef [[shabbat]] 1 page 414 allows one to start until thirteen and a half minutes after sunset. </ref>		*Yalkut Yosef [[shabbat]] 1 page 414 allows one to start until thirteen and a half minutes after sunset. </ref>
	# If one began eating before sunset he may continue after. <ref> Shulchan Aruch 299:1, Aruch Hashulchan 299:3. Mishna Brurah 291:2 says that having said the beracha is enough of a start to your meal to allow one to continue afterwards. He also quotes an opinion that this only applies during bein hashemashot but after [[Tzet HaKochavim]] one would not be allowed to continue. Rama says that the minhag is not so, rather one can continue even after [[Tzet HaKochavim]], and the ~~aruch hashulchan~~ 299:4 says that is the minhag. </ref> However, this doesn't apply if one was only drinking not as part of a meal <ref> Shulchan Aruch 299:1 </ref> or to eating only [[mezonot]] or fruit, so one must stop if that is all that he is having. <ref> Aruch Hashulchan 299:5 </ref>		# If one began eating before sunset he may continue to eat even after nightfall.<ref> Shulchan Aruch O.C. 299:1, Aruch Hashulchan 299:3. Mishna Brurah 291:2 says that having said the beracha is enough of a start to your meal to allow one to continue afterwards. He also quotes an opinion that this only applies during bein hashemashot but after [[Tzet HaKochavim]] one would not be allowed to continue. Rama says that the minhag is not so, rather one can continue even after [[Tzet HaKochavim]], and the Aruch Hashulchan 299:4 says that is the minhag. </ref> However, this doesn't apply if one was only drinking not as part of a meal<ref> Shulchan Aruch O.C. 299:1 </ref> or to eating only [[mezonot]] or fruit, so one must stop if that is all that he is having. <ref> Aruch Hashulchan 299:5 </ref>

	==Birkat Hamazon==		==Birkat Hamazon==

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	# This obligation applies even if one is not hungry, <ref> Shulchan Aruch 291:1. Kaf Hachayim 291:3 quotes the Chida saying that one should really make that extra effort because one would normally would eat a meal friday night and [[shabbat]] morning anyway so the afternoon meal is the only one that is clearly for the honor of [[shabbat]], and proves that the first two were as well. </ref> but if one can not eat at all then one is not obligated to pain oneself, as this would violate oneg [[shabbos]]. Nonetheless, a wise person will see ahead and leave room for Suedat Shelishit. <ref> Shulchan Aruch 291:1 </ref>		# This obligation applies even if one is not hungry, <ref> Shulchan Aruch 291:1. Kaf Hachayim 291:3 quotes the Chida saying that one should really make that extra effort because one would normally would eat a meal friday night and [[shabbat]] morning anyway so the afternoon meal is the only one that is clearly for the honor of [[shabbat]], and proves that the first two were as well. </ref> but if one can not eat at all then one is not obligated to pain oneself, as this would violate oneg [[shabbos]]. Nonetheless, a wise person will see ahead and leave room for Suedat Shelishit. <ref> Shulchan Aruch 291:1 </ref>
	==What to Eat?==		==What to Eat?==
			===Bread, Mezonot, or Fruit===
	# One must eat bread for Seudat Shelishit, however, if one is very full and is unable, then one should eat [[Mezonot]]. If that is also impossible one should have food which usually accompany bread such as meat or fish or at least fruit (cooked fruit is preferable). If one doesn't have fruit then one may use a [[Revi'it]] of wine. <ref> The above is from Yalkut Yosef ([[Shabbat]] vol 1 pg 409).		# One must eat bread for Seudat Shelishit, however, if one is very full and is unable, then one should eat [[Mezonot]]. If that is also impossible one should have food which usually accompany bread such as meat or fish or at least fruit (cooked fruit is preferable). If one doesn't have fruit then one may use a [[Revi'it]] of wine. <ref> The above is from Yalkut Yosef ([[Shabbat]] vol 1 pg 409).
	* Tosafot Yoma 79b "minai" says that one must eat bread based on the connection between seuda shlishit and the manna. Rambam Hilchot [[Shabbat]] 30:9, Tur 291, SA 291:4-5 all accept this opinion.		* Tosafot Yoma 79b "minai" says that one must eat bread based on the connection between seuda shlishit and the manna. Rambam Hilchot [[Shabbat]] 30:9, Tur 291, Shulchan Aruch O.C. 291:4-5 all accept this opinion.
	* Rabbenu Tam (cited by Tosfot Brachot 49b s.v. iy) held that it is possible to fulfill seuda shelishit without bread. His proof is Sukkah 27a that says that it is possible to fulfill a meal of sukkot with targima, which Tosfot explains is mezonot. Shibolei Haleket 93 agrees. Rabbenu Yonah 36b s.v. birchat quotes this. Tosfot Yoma 79b s.v. mini argues that bread is necessary for all three meals since it is learned from the maan and he rejects Rabbenu Tam's proof. Tosfot Sukkah 27a s.v. bmini, Brachot 49b s.v. iy, Rosh Sukkah 2:13, Smag 27, and Hagahot Maimoniyot 30:6 agree. The Rosh Sukkah 2:13 says that minei targima are foods made from one of the five species of grain based on a Tosefta that says that the beracha on minei targima is borei minei [[mezonot]]. Tosafot to Succa 27a "minei targima" say that foods which usually accompany bread such as meat or fish are included in this as well. Rashi "minei targima" there, as well as Rabbeinu Yona [[Brachot]] 36b "birkat," and the Ran [[Shabbat]] 44a "v'ika" include even fruit in this category.		* Rabbenu Tam (cited by Tosfot Brachot 49b s.v. iy) held that it is possible to fulfill seuda shelishit without bread. His proof is Sukkah 27a that says that it is possible to fulfill a meal of sukkot with targima, which Tosfot explains is mezonot. Shibolei Haleket 93 agrees. Rabbenu Yonah 36b s.v. birchat quotes this. Tosfot Yoma 79b s.v. mini argues that bread is necessary for all three meals since it is learned from the maan and he rejects Rabbenu Tam's proof. Tosfot Sukkah 27a s.v. bmini, Brachot 49b s.v. iy, Rosh Sukkah 2:13, Smag 27, and Hagahot Maimoniyot 30:6 agree. The Rosh Sukkah 2:13 says that minei targima are foods made from one of the five species of grain based on a Tosefta that says that the beracha on minei targima is borei minei [[mezonot]]. Tosafot to Succa 27a "minei targima" say that foods which usually accompany bread such as meat or fish are included in this as well. Rashi "minei targima" there, as well as Rabbeinu Yona [[Brachot]] 36b "birkat," and the Ran [[Shabbat]] 44a "v'ika" include even fruit in this category.
	* Shulchan Aruch 291:5 quotes all these opinions and concludes that one should eat bread.		* Shulchan Aruch O.C. 291:5 quotes all these opinions and concludes that one should eat bread.
	* Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 77:16 writes that one must eat bread for Seudat Shelishit, however, if one is very full and is unable, then one should eat [[Mezonot]]. If that is also impossible one should have food which usually accompany bread such as meat or fish. If that too is impossible one should have at least fruit cooked fruit.		* Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 77:16 writes that one must eat bread for Seudat Shelishit, however, if one is very full and is unable, then one should eat [[Mezonot]]. If that is also impossible one should have food which usually accompany bread such as meat or fish. If that too is impossible one should have at least fruit cooked fruit.
	* Aruch Hashulchan 291:12 says that it is not proper to rely on any of these opinions unless one is sick.		* Aruch Hashulchan 291:12 says that it is not proper to rely on any of these opinions unless one is sick.
	* Magen Avraham 444:2 when discussing what to do on erev [[pesach]] that falls out on [[shabbat]] gives several options and also quotes the Shla saying that one may fulfill seudat shlishit with divrei torah. The Rokeach 55 allows one to skip seudat shlishit to go here a shiur in the afternoon. Pri Megadim (E"A 290) disagrees and says one shouldn't miss seudat shlishit even to hear a shiur. Aruch Hashulchan 290:3 and Kaf Hachayim 290:14 agree with the Pri Megadim.</ref> One may not rely on this leniency of not having bread for the Friday night meal or the first daytime meal.<ref>Tosfot Pesachim 101a s.v. tiyma writes that even though it is possible to have targima for the seudat shelishit it is ineffective for the Friday night or first daytime meal since those are the main meals fulfilling kavod Shabbat (Oneg). Rabbenu Yonah Brachot 36b s.v. birchat explains it differently. He explains that it doesn't work for the first two meals since it is necessary to have a bread meal then since it is necessary to have bread for kiddush bmakom seudah.</ref>		* Magen Avraham 444:2 when discussing what to do on erev [[pesach]] that falls out on [[shabbat]] gives several options and also quotes the Shla saying that one may fulfill seudat shlishit with divrei torah. The Rokeach 55 allows one to skip seudat shlishit to go here a shiur in the afternoon. Pri Megadim (E"A 290) disagrees and says one shouldn't miss seudat shlishit even to hear a shiur. Aruch Hashulchan 290:3 and Kaf Hachayim 290:14 agree with the Pri Megadim.</ref> One may not rely on this leniency of not having bread for the Friday night meal or the first daytime meal.<ref>Tosfot Pesachim 101a s.v. tiyma writes that even though it is possible to have targima for the seudat shelishit it is ineffective for the Friday night or first daytime meal since those are the main meals fulfilling kavod Shabbat (Oneg). Rabbenu Yonah Brachot 36b s.v. birchat explains it differently. He explains that it doesn't work for the first two meals since it is necessary to have a bread meal then since it is necessary to have bread for kiddush bmakom seudah.</ref>
			===Two Challah's===
	# According to Sephardim one should be careful to have two whole loaves of bread for [[Lechem Mishneh]] at Seudat Shelishit. However, according to Ashkenazim, it's preferable to have two whole loaves but it's sufficient to have just one whole loaf. <ref>Shulchan Aruch and Rama 291:4. Shulchan Aruch is based on Rambam [[Shabbat]] 30:9 and Rama based on Tosafot Yoma 79b "minei". Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 77:17 simply writes that one should have [[Lechem Mishneh]] for all three meals of [[Shabbat]]. </ref>		# According to Sephardim one should be careful to have two whole loaves of bread for [[Lechem Mishneh]] at Seudat Shelishit. However, according to Ashkenazim, it's preferable to have two whole loaves but it's sufficient to have just one whole loaf. <ref>Shulchan Aruch and Rama 291:4. Shulchan Aruch is based on Rambam [[Shabbat]] 30:9 and Rama based on Tosafot Yoma 79b "minei". Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 77:17 simply writes that one should have [[Lechem Mishneh]] for all three meals of [[Shabbat]]. </ref>
	# If one only has one whole loaf of bread and a broken piece one should use the whole one for Seuda Shelishit instead of saving it for [[Melava Malka]]. <ref> Beiur Halacha 291 s.v. VeLePachot </ref>		# If one only has one whole loaf of bread and a broken piece one should use the whole one for Seuda Shelishit instead of saving it for [[Melava Malka]]. <ref> Beiur Halacha 291 s.v. VeLePachot </ref>
			===Covering the Bread===
	# One doesn't need to cover the loaves of bread before making [[HaMotzei]], however, it's preferable to cover them. <ref> Yalkut Yosef (Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 291:9) </ref>		# One doesn't need to cover the loaves of bread before making [[HaMotzei]], however, it's preferable to cover them. <ref> Yalkut Yosef (Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 291:9) </ref>
			===Fish===
	#One should try to have fish even for seuda shlishit, except if one doesn't like fish he should not force himself. <ref> Yalkut Yosef [[Shabbat]] volume 1 page 408. Mishna Brurah 242:2 says this enhances kavod [[shabbat]].</ref>		#One should try to have fish even for seuda shlishit, except if one doesn't like fish he should not force himself. <ref> Yalkut Yosef [[Shabbat]] volume 1 page 408. Mishna Brurah 242:2 says this enhances kavod [[shabbat]].</ref>