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	*However, the Piskei Teshuvot concludes that one must be stringent based on the Sh”t Divrei Israel (1:200) that one shouldn't follow this minhag unless one has a tradition for it and it’s not comfortable outside.		*However, the Piskei Teshuvot concludes that one must be stringent based on the Sh”t Divrei Israel (1:200) that one shouldn't follow this minhag unless one has a tradition for it and it’s not comfortable outside.
	*Aruch HaShulchan 668:3 writes that the gedolim have criticized those who just eat [[Kiddish]] in the [[Sukkah]] and then eat a meal inside. Mishna Brurah 668:5 also seems to hold that one shouldn’t deviate from the ruling of Shulchan Aruch (which is based on an explicit Gemara on Succah 47a). Chacham Ovadia Yosef (Shu"t Yechave Daat 2:76 and Chazon Ovadyah ([[Sukkot]] pg 479)) also rules like Shulchan Aruch, as does Ben Ish Chai Vizot Haberacha: Halacha 13. </ref>		*Aruch HaShulchan 668:3 writes that the gedolim have criticized those who just eat [[Kiddish]] in the [[Sukkah]] and then eat a meal inside. Mishna Brurah 668:5 also seems to hold that one shouldn’t deviate from the ruling of Shulchan Aruch (which is based on an explicit Gemara on Succah 47a). Chacham Ovadia Yosef (Shu"t Yechave Daat 2:76 and Chazon Ovadyah ([[Sukkot]] pg 479)) also rules like Shulchan Aruch, as does Ben Ish Chai Vizot Haberacha: Halacha 13. </ref>
	# Regarding [[sleeping in the Sukkah]] on the eighth day of [[Sukkot]] (Shemini Aseret), there’s a dispute in the achronim. The minhag of the Ashkenazim is not to sleep in the [[Sukkah]], while Sephardim hold that one must sleep in the [[Sukkah]]. <ref> Darkei Moshe 668:2 writes that ~~there’s room to be lenient regarding sleeping outside~~ the [[Sukkah]]. Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 138:5 writes that while the minhag is to be lenient about sleeping in the [[sukkah]], it's proper to be strict. Mishna Brurah 668:6 quotes the opinion of the Gra who holds that one must sleep in the [[Sukkah]] on the eighth day, but concludes that the minhag is to be lenient and not to sleep in the [[Sukkah]]. However, the Bet Yosef 668 writes that sleeping is no different than [[eating in the Sukkah]]. Therefore, Chazon Ovadyah [[Sukkot]] (pg 479) and Ben Ish Chai (Vizot Haberacha: Halacha 13) rule that Sephardim must sleep in the [[Sukkah]] like any other night of [[Sukkot]]. </ref>		# Regarding [[sleeping in the Sukkah]] on the eighth day of [[Sukkot]] (Shemini Aseret), there’s a dispute in the achronim. The minhag of the Ashkenazim is not to sleep in the [[Sukkah]], while Sephardim hold that one must sleep in the [[Sukkah]].<ref> Rashba (Rosh Hashana 16a s.v. lama), Agudah (Sukkah 47a), Bet Yosef 668:1. However, Darkei Moshe 668:2 writes that a person may not sleep in the [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret because that would appear as though it is Sukkot and not Yom Tov of Shemini Aseret (based on Rosh) and also because it appears to be adding onto the mitzvah (based on Ravyah). Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 138:5 writes that while the minhag is to be lenient about sleeping in the [[sukkah]], it's proper to be strict. Mishna Brurah 668:6 quotes the opinion of the Gra who holds that one must sleep in the [[Sukkah]] on the eighth day, but concludes that the minhag is to be lenient and not to sleep in the [[Sukkah]]. However, the Bet Yosef 668 writes that sleeping is no different than [[eating in the Sukkah]]. Therefore, Chazon Ovadyah [[Sukkot]] (pg 479) and Ben Ish Chai (Vizot Haberacha: Halacha 13) rule that Sephardim must sleep in the [[Sukkah]] like any other night of [[Sukkot]]. </ref>
	===Outside Israel on Simchat Torah===		===Outside Israel on Simchat Torah===
	# On Simchat Torah in the diaspora, one should not eat or sleep in the Sukkah. If one does so, then it appears like he is extending the mitzvah of Sukkah beyond the holiday of Sukkot, which is a violation of [[Baal Tosif]].		# On Simchat Torah in the diaspora, one should not eat or sleep in the Sukkah. If one does so, then it appears like he is extending the mitzvah of Sukkah beyond the holiday of Sukkot, which is a violation of [[Baal Tosif]].

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YitzchakSultan1: /* Outside Israel on Simchat Torah */

2023-10-06T21:16:24Z

Outside Israel on Simchat Torah

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	# Regarding [[sleeping in the Sukkah]] on the eighth day of [[Sukkot]] (Shemini Aseret), there’s a dispute in the achronim. The Ashkenazim minhag is not to sleep in the [[Sukkah]], while Sephardim hold that one must sleep in the [[Sukkah]]. <Ref> Darkei Moshe 668:2 writes that there’s room to be lenient regarding sleeping outside the [[Sukkah]]. Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 138:5 writes that while the minhag is to be lenient about sleeping in the [[sukkah]], it's proper to be strict. Mishna Brurah 668:6 brings the opinion of the Gra who holds that one must sleep in the [[Sukkah]] on the eighth day but concludes that the minhag is to be lenient not to sleep in the [[Sukkah]]. However, the Bet Yosef 668 writes that sleeping is no different than [[eating in the Sukkah]]. Therefore, Chazon Ovadyah [[Sukkot]] (pg 479) and Ben Ish Chai Vizot Haberacha: Halacha 13 rule that Sephardim must sleep in the [[Sukkah]] like any other night of [[Sukkot]]. </ref>		# Regarding [[sleeping in the Sukkah]] on the eighth day of [[Sukkot]] (Shemini Aseret), there’s a dispute in the achronim. The Ashkenazim minhag is not to sleep in the [[Sukkah]], while Sephardim hold that one must sleep in the [[Sukkah]]. <Ref> Darkei Moshe 668:2 writes that there’s room to be lenient regarding sleeping outside the [[Sukkah]]. Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 138:5 writes that while the minhag is to be lenient about sleeping in the [[sukkah]], it's proper to be strict. Mishna Brurah 668:6 brings the opinion of the Gra who holds that one must sleep in the [[Sukkah]] on the eighth day but concludes that the minhag is to be lenient not to sleep in the [[Sukkah]]. However, the Bet Yosef 668 writes that sleeping is no different than [[eating in the Sukkah]]. Therefore, Chazon Ovadyah [[Sukkot]] (pg 479) and Ben Ish Chai Vizot Haberacha: Halacha 13 rule that Sephardim must sleep in the [[Sukkah]] like any other night of [[Sukkot]]. </ref>
	===Outside Israel on Simchat Torah===		===Outside Israel on Simchat Torah===
	# On Simchat Torah in the diaspora one should not eat or sleep in the Sukkah, otherwise it appears like one is adding onto the mitzvah of Sukkot, which is a violation of [[Baal Tosif]]. If one wants to eat in the Sukkah one could first put one's cooking pots in the Sukkah to indicate that one isn't using the Sukkah for the mitzvah.<Ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 666:1</ref> Alternatively, some poskim hold that one could cover the schach with a tarp.<ref>Piskei Teshuvot 666:1</ref>		# On Simchat Torah in the diaspora one should not eat or sleep in the Sukkah, otherwise it appears like one is adding onto the mitzvah of Sukkot, which is a violation of [[Baal Tosif]]. If one wants to eat in the Sukkah one could first put one's cooking pots in the Sukkah to indicate that one isn't using the Sukkah for the mitzvah.<Ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 666:1</ref> Some say this solution of a dirty cooking pot doesn't work today because our pots aren't so disgusting and it isn't recognizable that he's not trying to sit in the Sukkah.<ref>[https://www.yutorah.org/sidebar/lecturedata/972499/Piskei-Corona-#56:-Simchas-Torah Rav Hershel Schachter (Teshuva #56)]</ref>
			# Alternatively, some poskim hold that one could cover the schach with a tarp, which was attached from before Yom Tov (such as a shlok).<ref>Piskei Teshuvot 666:1, [https://www.yutorah.org/sidebar/lecturedata/972499/Piskei-Corona-#56:-Simchas-Torah Rav Hershel Schachter (Teshuva #56)]</ref>
	# If a woman wants to sit in the Sukkah on Simchat Torah they may not do so unless there is some indication that she isn't doing so for the mitzvah<ref>Or Yitzchak 2:242 unlike Sh"t Torah Lishma</ref>		# If a woman wants to sit in the Sukkah on Simchat Torah they may not do so unless there is some indication that she isn't doing so for the mitzvah<ref>Or Yitzchak 2:242 unlike Sh"t Torah Lishma</ref>
	# Some say that it is permitted to sit in the Sukkah in the afternoon of Simchat Torah once one already ate outside the Sukkah at night and for lunch.<ref>Ben Ish Chai (Vezot Habracha n. 16), Otzar Halachot 666:6</ref>		# Some say that it is permitted to sit in the Sukkah in the afternoon of Simchat Torah once one already ate outside the Sukkah at night and for lunch.<ref>Ben Ish Chai (Vezot Habracha n. 16), Otzar Halachot 666:6</ref>

YitzchakSultan1: /* Outside Israel on Simchat Torah */

2023-10-06T16:04:57Z

Outside Israel on Simchat Torah

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	===Outside Israel on Simchat Torah===		===Outside Israel on Simchat Torah===
	# On Simchat Torah in the diaspora one should not eat or sleep in the Sukkah, otherwise it appears like one is adding onto the mitzvah of Sukkot, which is a violation of [[Baal Tosif]]. If one wants to eat in the Sukkah one could first put one's cooking pots in the Sukkah to indicate that one isn't using the Sukkah for the mitzvah.<Ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 666:1</ref> Alternatively, some poskim hold that one could cover the schach with a tarp.<ref>Piskei Teshuvot 666:1</ref>		# On Simchat Torah in the diaspora one should not eat or sleep in the Sukkah, otherwise it appears like one is adding onto the mitzvah of Sukkot, which is a violation of [[Baal Tosif]]. If one wants to eat in the Sukkah one could first put one's cooking pots in the Sukkah to indicate that one isn't using the Sukkah for the mitzvah.<Ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 666:1</ref> Alternatively, some poskim hold that one could cover the schach with a tarp.<ref>Piskei Teshuvot 666:1</ref>
	# If a woman wants to sit in the Sukkah on ~~simchat~~ Torah they may not do so unless there is some indication that she isn't doing so for the mitzvah<ref>Or Yitzchak 2:242 unlike Sh"t Torah Lishma</ref>		# If a woman wants to sit in the Sukkah on Simchat Torah they may not do so unless there is some indication that she isn't doing so for the mitzvah<ref>Or Yitzchak 2:242 unlike Sh"t Torah Lishma</ref>
	# Some say that it is permitted to sit in the Sukkah in the afternoon of Simchat Torah once one already ate outside the Sukkah at night and for lunch.<ref>Ben Ish Chai (Vezot Habracha n. 16), Otzar Halachot 666:6</ref>		# Some say that it is permitted to sit in the Sukkah in the afternoon of Simchat Torah once one already ate outside the Sukkah at night and for lunch.<ref>Ben Ish Chai (Vezot Habracha n. 16), Otzar Halachot 666:6</ref>
	# Having intent not to fulfill the mitzvah of sitting in the Sukkah does not permit sitting in the Sukkah on Simchat Torah.<ref>Mishna Brurah 666:5 explains that a person doesn't violate baal tosif from the Torah if he intends not to sit in the Sukkah on the 9th day, but still midrabbanan it is forbidden to sit there because it appears like he is adding onto Sukkot. Igrot Moshe YD 2:141:1 is also clear about this point. If he intends to fulfill the mitzvah of Sukkah he violates baal tosif even though he made a heker (something recognizable that he isn't doing it for the mitzvah). However, to not violate the halacha he needs both not to intend to fulfill the mitzvah and also add a heker.</ref>		# Having intent not to fulfill the mitzvah of sitting in the Sukkah does not permit sitting in the Sukkah on Simchat Torah.<ref>Mishna Brurah 666:5 explains that a person doesn't violate baal tosif from the Torah if he intends not to sit in the Sukkah on the 9th day, but still midrabbanan it is forbidden to sit there because it appears like he is adding onto Sukkot. Igrot Moshe YD 2:141:1 is also clear about this point. If he intends to fulfill the mitzvah of Sukkah he violates baal tosif even though he made a heker (something recognizable that he isn't doing it for the mitzvah). However, to not violate the halacha he needs both not to intend to fulfill the mitzvah and also add a heker.</ref>

YitzchakSultan1: /* Outside Israel on Simchat Torah */

2023-10-06T16:04:48Z

Outside Israel on Simchat Torah

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	===Outside Israel on Simchat Torah===		===Outside Israel on Simchat Torah===
	# On Simchat Torah in the diaspora one should not eat or sleep in the Sukkah, otherwise it appears like one is adding onto the mitzvah of Sukkot, which is a violation of [[Baal Tosif]]. If one wants to eat in the Sukkah one could first put one's cooking pots in the Sukkah to indicate that one isn't using the Sukkah for the mitzvah.<Ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 666:1</ref> Alternatively, some poskim hold that one could cover the schach with a tarp.<ref>Piskei Teshuvot 666:1</ref>		# On Simchat Torah in the diaspora one should not eat or sleep in the Sukkah, otherwise it appears like one is adding onto the mitzvah of Sukkot, which is a violation of [[Baal Tosif]]. If one wants to eat in the Sukkah one could first put one's cooking pots in the Sukkah to indicate that one isn't using the Sukkah for the mitzvah.<Ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 666:1</ref> Alternatively, some poskim hold that one could cover the schach with a tarp.<ref>Piskei Teshuvot 666:1</ref>
			# If a woman wants to sit in the Sukkah on simchat Torah they may not do so unless there is some indication that she isn't doing so for the mitzvah<ref>Or Yitzchak 2:242 unlike Sh"t Torah Lishma</ref>
			# Some say that it is permitted to sit in the Sukkah in the afternoon of Simchat Torah once one already ate outside the Sukkah at night and for lunch.<ref>Ben Ish Chai (Vezot Habracha n. 16), Otzar Halachot 666:6</ref>
	# Having intent not to fulfill the mitzvah of sitting in the Sukkah does not permit sitting in the Sukkah on Simchat Torah.<ref>Mishna Brurah 666:5 explains that a person doesn't violate baal tosif from the Torah if he intends not to sit in the Sukkah on the 9th day, but still midrabbanan it is forbidden to sit there because it appears like he is adding onto Sukkot. Igrot Moshe YD 2:141:1 is also clear about this point. If he intends to fulfill the mitzvah of Sukkah he violates baal tosif even though he made a heker (something recognizable that he isn't doing it for the mitzvah). However, to not violate the halacha he needs both not to intend to fulfill the mitzvah and also add a heker.</ref>		# Having intent not to fulfill the mitzvah of sitting in the Sukkah does not permit sitting in the Sukkah on Simchat Torah.<ref>Mishna Brurah 666:5 explains that a person doesn't violate baal tosif from the Torah if he intends not to sit in the Sukkah on the 9th day, but still midrabbanan it is forbidden to sit there because it appears like he is adding onto Sukkot. Igrot Moshe YD 2:141:1 is also clear about this point. If he intends to fulfill the mitzvah of Sukkah he violates baal tosif even though he made a heker (something recognizable that he isn't doing it for the mitzvah). However, to not violate the halacha he needs both not to intend to fulfill the mitzvah and also add a heker.</ref>

YitzchakSultan1: /* In Israel */

2023-10-06T15:34:04Z

In Israel

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Torah Reading

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	===Torah Reading===		===Torah Reading===
	# On Shemini Aseret outside Israel the Torah reading is Kol Bechor in Parshat Reah. If Shemini Aseret falls out on [[Shabbat]], the torah reading begins from Asar Taaser. <ref>The gemara [[Megillah]] 31a writes that the torah reading for Shemini Aseret is Kol Bechor. Shulchan Aruch 668:1 codifies this halacha. Kaf HaChaim 668:17 explains that we read Kol Bechor because it includes a hidden reference to Shemini Aseret in the words VeHayita Ach Samech which chazal explain to mean that Shemini Aseret is included in the Simcha of [[Sukkot]]. </ref>		# On Shemini Aseret outside Israel the Torah reading, according to Sephardim is Kol Bechor in Parshat Reah. If Shemini Aseret falls out on [[Shabbat]], the torah reading begins from Asar Taaser.<ref>The gemara [[Megillah]] 31a writes that the torah reading for Shemini Aseret is Kol Bechor. Shulchan Aruch O.C. 668:1 codifies this halacha. Kaf HaChaim 668:17 explains that we read Kol Bechor because it includes a hidden reference to Shemini Aseret in the words VeHayita Ach Samech which chazal explain to mean that Shemini Aseret is included in the Simcha of [[Sukkot]]. </ref> Ashkenazim always start with Asar Taaser.<ref>Mishna Brurah 668:12</ref>

	==Lulav and Etrog==		==Lulav and Etrog==

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Outside Israel

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	==Eating and Sleeping in the Sukkah==		==Eating and Sleeping in the Sukkah==
	===Outside Israel===		===Outside Israel on Shemina Aseret===
	# Outside Israel, on the eighth day of [[Sukkot]] (first day of Shemini Aseret), one should eat in the [[Sukkah]] without a Bracha of Leshev BaSukkah.<Ref>Rambam ([[Sukkah]] 6:13), Tur and ~~S”A~~ 668:1 write that one should eat in the [[Sukkah]] on the eighth day of [[Sukkot]] but not make a Bracha. Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 138:4, Shu"t Yechave Daat 2:76 agree. This is based on the Gemara (Sukkah 47a) which presents a debate among the Amoraim regarding how residents of the Galut should conduct themselves in relation to Sukkah on Shemini Atzeret. The Gemara concludes that the proper practice is to sit in the Sukkah on Shemini Atzeret but omit the Beracha. The Gemara indicates that we do not take the Lulav on Shemini Atzeret. Tosafot 47a ~~d"h~~ maitav explain that reciting the Beracha would undermine the status of Shemini Atzeret by blatantly demonstrating that we are concerned perhaps the day is not truly Shemini Atzeret. <br />		# Outside Israel, on the eighth day of [[Sukkot]] (first day of Shemini Aseret), one should eat in the [[Sukkah]] without a Bracha of Leshev BaSukkah.<Ref>Rambam ([[Sukkah]] 6:13), Tur and Shulchan Aruch O.C. 668:1 write that one should eat in the [[Sukkah]] on the eighth day of [[Sukkot]] but not make a Bracha. Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 138:4, Shu"t Yechave Daat 2:76 agree. This is based on the Gemara (Sukkah 47a) which presents a debate among the Amoraim regarding how residents of the Galut should conduct themselves in relation to Sukkah on Shemini Atzeret. The Gemara concludes that the proper practice is to sit in the Sukkah on Shemini Atzeret but omit the Beracha. The Gemara indicates that we do not take the Lulav on Shemini Atzeret. Tosafot 47a s.v. maitav explain that reciting the Beracha would undermine the status of Shemini Atzeret by blatantly demonstrating that we are concerned perhaps the day is not truly Shemini Atzeret. <br />
	* Even though the pasuk in Parashat Emor (Leviticus 23:42) states בסוכות תשבו שבעת ימים, meaning you shall dwell in sukkot for seven days, we sit in the sukkah out of the doubt that it may be the 7th day of sukkot which would require sitting in a sukkah. </ref> There’s a minhag to be lenient regarding [[eating in the Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret, however, one should not follow this unless one has accepted this practice from his parents or rabbis. <Ref> There’s an old minhag to be lenient not to eat in the [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret from the time of Rashi recorded in Sefer HaPardes, Machzor Vitri (Siman 284), and Maharil (Hilchot [[lulav]]) (see ~~nitei~~ Gavriel (Arba Minim) Sh”t 4). The Piskei Teshuvot 668:1 brings in the name of the achronim that there’s room to be lenient since the Korban Netanel writes that the entire establishment of [[sitting in the Sukkah]] on the eighth day is based on the assumption that it’s comfortable and beloved to a person, however, if it’s cold or wind is present then one shouldn’t sit in the [[Sukkah]].		* Even though the pasuk in Parashat Emor (Leviticus 23:42) states בסוכות תשבו שבעת ימים, meaning you shall dwell in sukkot for seven days, we sit in the sukkah out of the doubt that it may be the 7th day of sukkot which would require sitting in a sukkah. </ref> There’s a minhag to be lenient regarding [[eating in the Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret, however, one should not follow this unless one has accepted this practice from his parents or rabbis. <Ref> There’s an old minhag to be lenient not to eat in the [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret from the time of Rashi recorded in Sefer HaPardes, Machzor Vitri (Siman 284), and Maharil (Hilchot [[lulav]]) (see Nitei Gavriel (Arba Minim) Sh”t 4). The Piskei Teshuvot 668:1 brings in the name of the achronim that there’s room to be lenient since the Korban Netanel writes that the entire establishment of [[sitting in the Sukkah]] on the eighth day is based on the assumption that it’s comfortable and beloved to a person, however, if it’s cold or wind is present then one shouldn’t sit in the [[Sukkah]].
	* ~~see~~ [http://hebrewbooks.org/14379 Meshiv Tzedek] by Rav Tzadok Hakohen of Lublin who wrote a complete pamphlet defending this practice of not sitting in the Sukkah.		* See [http://hebrewbooks.org/14379 Meshiv Tzedek] by Rav Tzadok Hakohen of Lublin who wrote a complete pamphlet defending this practice of not sitting in the Sukkah.
	* However, the Piskei Teshuvot concludes that one must be stringent based on the Sh”t Divrei Israel 1:200 that one shouldn't follow this minhag unless one has a tradition for it and it’s not comfortable outside.		* However, the Piskei Teshuvot concludes that one must be stringent based on the Sh”t Divrei Israel 1:200 that one shouldn't follow this minhag unless one has a tradition for it and it’s not comfortable outside.
	* Aruch HaShulchan 668:3 writes that the gedolim have criticized those who just eat [[Kiddish]] in the [[Sukkah]] and then eat a meal inside. Mishna Brurah 668:5 also seems to hold that regarding eating one shouldn’t change from the ruling of S”A (which is based on an explicit gemara). Chacham Ovadia Yosef (Shu"t Yechave Daat 2:76 and Chazon Ovadyah ([[Sukkot]] pg 479)) also rules like Shulchan Aruc, as does Ben Ish Chai Vizot Haberacha: Halacha 13</ref>		* Aruch HaShulchan 668:3 writes that the gedolim have criticized those who just eat [[Kiddish]] in the [[Sukkah]] and then eat a meal inside. Mishna Brurah 668:5 also seems to hold that regarding eating one shouldn’t change from the ruling of S”A (which is based on an explicit gemara). Chacham Ovadia Yosef (Shu"t Yechave Daat 2:76 and Chazon Ovadyah ([[Sukkot]] pg 479)) also rules like Shulchan Aruc, as does Ben Ish Chai Vizot Haberacha: Halacha 13</ref>
	# Regarding [[sleeping in the Sukkah]] on the eighth day of [[Sukkot]] (Shemini Aseret), there’s a dispute in the achronim. The Ashkenazim minhag is not to sleep in the [[Sukkah]], while Sephardim hold that one must sleep in the [[Sukkah]]. <Ref> Darkei Moshe 668:2 writes that there’s room to be lenient regarding sleeping outside the [[Sukkah]]. Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 138:5 writes that while the minhag is to be lenient about sleeping in the [[sukkah]], it's proper to be strict. Mishna Brurah 668:6 brings the opinion of the Gra who holds that one must sleep in the [[Sukkah]] on the eighth day but concludes that the minhag is to be lenient not to sleep in the [[Sukkah]]. However, the Bet Yosef 668 writes that sleeping is no different than [[eating in the Sukkah]]. Therefore, Chazon Ovadyah [[Sukkot]] (pg 479) and Ben Ish Chai Vizot Haberacha: Halacha 13 rule that Sephardim must sleep in the [[Sukkah]] like any other night of [[Sukkot]]. </ref>		# Regarding [[sleeping in the Sukkah]] on the eighth day of [[Sukkot]] (Shemini Aseret), there’s a dispute in the achronim. The Ashkenazim minhag is not to sleep in the [[Sukkah]], while Sephardim hold that one must sleep in the [[Sukkah]]. <Ref> Darkei Moshe 668:2 writes that there’s room to be lenient regarding sleeping outside the [[Sukkah]]. Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 138:5 writes that while the minhag is to be lenient about sleeping in the [[sukkah]], it's proper to be strict. Mishna Brurah 668:6 brings the opinion of the Gra who holds that one must sleep in the [[Sukkah]] on the eighth day but concludes that the minhag is to be lenient not to sleep in the [[Sukkah]]. However, the Bet Yosef 668 writes that sleeping is no different than [[eating in the Sukkah]]. Therefore, Chazon Ovadyah [[Sukkot]] (pg 479) and Ben Ish Chai Vizot Haberacha: Halacha 13 rule that Sephardim must sleep in the [[Sukkah]] like any other night of [[Sukkot]]. </ref>
			===Outside Israel on Simchat Torah===
			# On Simchat Torah in the diaspora one should not eat or sleep in the Sukkah, otherwise it appears like one is adding onto the mitzvah of Sukkot, which is a violation of [[Baal Tosif]]. If one wants to eat in the Sukkah one could first put one's cooking pots in the Sukkah to indicate that one isn't using the Sukkah for the mitzvah.<Ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 666:1</ref> Alternatively, one could cover the schach with a tarp.<ref>Piskei Teshuvot 666:1</ref>

	===An American in Israel===		===An American in Israel===
	# A Jew from outside Israel who is visiting Israel for [[Sukkot]] should not eat in the [[Sukkah]] if it’s difficult to sit alone in the [[Sukkah]]. <Ref> Nitai Gavriel (Hilchot Arbah Minim Sh”t 8), Sh”t Minchat Yitzchak 9:54, [[Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach]] in Sh”t Minchat Shlomo 1:19, [[Rabbi Ovadyah Yosef]] in Chazon Ovadyah Sukkot (pg 480-1) and Shu"t Yechave Daat 2:76, Ot Hei LeOlam (vol 2 pg 87c; quoted by Sdei Chemed [[Sukkah]] 1)</ref> However, if he is alone anyway, such as if he’s in a hotel, Sephardim holds that he should eat in the [[Sukkah]], while Ashkenazim hold that in Israel one doesn't sit in the [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret. <Ref> Chacham Ovadia Yosef (Chazon Ovadyah [[Sukkot]] (pg 480-1) and Shu"t Yechave Daat 2:76) writes explicitly that if it’s not difficult to eat in the [[Sukkah]] such as one is staying by himself then he should sit in the [[Sukkah]]. However, Sh”t Minchat Shlomo 1:19 exempts such a person in all circumstances. So writes the Piskei Teshuvot 668:2 in name of Sh”t Minchat Yitzchak and Sh”t Minchat Shlomo. </ref>		# A Jew from outside Israel who is visiting Israel for [[Sukkot]] should not eat in the [[Sukkah]] if it’s difficult to sit alone in the [[Sukkah]]. <Ref> Nitai Gavriel (Hilchot Arbah Minim Sh”t 8), Sh”t Minchat Yitzchak 9:54, [[Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach]] in Sh”t Minchat Shlomo 1:19, [[Rabbi Ovadyah Yosef]] in Chazon Ovadyah Sukkot (pg 480-1) and Shu"t Yechave Daat 2:76, Ot Hei LeOlam (vol 2 pg 87c; quoted by Sdei Chemed [[Sukkah]] 1)</ref> However, if he is alone anyway, such as if he’s in a hotel, Sephardim holds that he should eat in the [[Sukkah]], while Ashkenazim hold that in Israel one doesn't sit in the [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret. <Ref> Chacham Ovadia Yosef (Chazon Ovadyah [[Sukkot]] (pg 480-1) and Shu"t Yechave Daat 2:76) writes explicitly that if it’s not difficult to eat in the [[Sukkah]] such as one is staying by himself then he should sit in the [[Sukkah]]. However, Sh”t Minchat Shlomo 1:19 exempts such a person in all circumstances. So writes the Piskei Teshuvot 668:2 in name of Sh”t Minchat Yitzchak and Sh”t Minchat Shlomo. </ref>

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	# We do not take the 4 minim on Shemini Atzeret.<ref> Gemara Sukkah 47a. Tosafot d"h Maitav explain that the eighth day of Sukkot differs from the eighth day of Pesach in that the eighth day of Sukkot is Shemini Atzeret, which is a Yom Tov that in many ways enjoys a separate and distinct identity from Sukkot. Were we to observe the Mitzvot of the seventh day of Sukkot on Shemini Atzeret, we would undermine the integrity of Shemini Atzeret. We do not take the Lulav on Shemini Atzeret, because the Lulav is ordinarily Muktza. Thus, taking the Lulav on Shemini Atzeret would make a blatant statement of concern that it is actually the seventh day of Sukkot. The Kesef Mishneh (commenting on Rambam Hilchot Sukkah 6:13) offers a different explanation for why we do not take a Lulav on Shemini Atzeret. He notes that it is only a rabbinical obligation to take the Lulav on the seventh day of Sukkot. ~~Biblically~~, we are only obligated to take the Lulav on the first day of Sukkot if one is outside of the Bait Hamikdash and seven days if one is inside the Bait Hamikdash (see Vayikra 23:40 and Sukkah 41a). The Kesef Mishna argues that the obligations of Yom Tov Sheni do not apply to Lulav because the obligation is only rabbinic in nature</ref>		# We do not take the 4 minim on Shemini Atzeret.<ref> Gemara Sukkah 47a. Tosafot d"h Maitav explain that the eighth day of Sukkot differs from the eighth day of Pesach in that the eighth day of Sukkot is Shemini Atzeret, which is a Yom Tov that in many ways enjoys a separate and distinct identity from Sukkot. Were we to observe the Mitzvot of the seventh day of Sukkot on Shemini Atzeret, we would undermine the integrity of Shemini Atzeret. We do not take the Lulav on Shemini Atzeret, because the Lulav is ordinarily Muktza. Thus, taking the Lulav on Shemini Atzeret would make a blatant statement of concern that it is actually the seventh day of Sukkot. The Kesef Mishneh (commenting on Rambam Hilchot Sukkah 6:13) offers a different explanation for why we do not take a Lulav on Shemini Atzeret. He notes that it is only a rabbinical obligation to take the Lulav on the seventh day of Sukkot. biblically, we are only obligated to take the Lulav on the first day of Sukkot if one is outside of the Bait Hamikdash and seven days if one is inside the Bait Hamikdash (see Vayikra 23:40 and Sukkah 41a). The Kesef Mishna argues that the obligations of Yom Tov Sheni do not apply to Lulav because the obligation is only rabbinic in nature</ref>

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	# Regarding [[sleeping in the Sukkah]] on the eighth day of [[Sukkot]] (Shemini Aseret), there’s a dispute in the achronim. The Ashkenazim minhag is not to sleep in the [[Sukkah]], while Sephardim hold that one must sleep in the [[Sukkah]]. <Ref> Darkei Moshe 668:2 writes that there’s room to be lenient regarding sleeping outside the [[Sukkah]]. Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 138:5 writes that while the minhag is to be lenient about sleeping in the [[sukkah]], it's proper to be strict. Mishna Brurah 668:6 brings the opinion of the Gra who holds that one must sleep in the [[Sukkah]] on the eighth day but concludes that the minhag is to be lenient not to sleep in the [[Sukkah]]. However, the Bet Yosef 668 writes that sleeping is no different than [[eating in the Sukkah]]. Therefore, Chazon Ovadyah [[Sukkot]] (pg 479) and Ben Ish Chai Vizot Haberacha: Halacha 13 rule that Sephardim must sleep in the [[Sukkah]] like any other night of [[Sukkot]]. </ref>		# Regarding [[sleeping in the Sukkah]] on the eighth day of [[Sukkot]] (Shemini Aseret), there’s a dispute in the achronim. The Ashkenazim minhag is not to sleep in the [[Sukkah]], while Sephardim hold that one must sleep in the [[Sukkah]]. <Ref> Darkei Moshe 668:2 writes that there’s room to be lenient regarding sleeping outside the [[Sukkah]]. Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 138:5 writes that while the minhag is to be lenient about sleeping in the [[sukkah]], it's proper to be strict. Mishna Brurah 668:6 brings the opinion of the Gra who holds that one must sleep in the [[Sukkah]] on the eighth day but concludes that the minhag is to be lenient not to sleep in the [[Sukkah]]. However, the Bet Yosef 668 writes that sleeping is no different than [[eating in the Sukkah]]. Therefore, Chazon Ovadyah [[Sukkot]] (pg 479) and Ben Ish Chai Vizot Haberacha: Halacha 13 rule that Sephardim must sleep in the [[Sukkah]] like any other night of [[Sukkot]]. </ref>
	===Outside Israel on Simchat Torah===		===Outside Israel on Simchat Torah===
	# On Simchat Torah in the diaspora one should not eat or sleep in the Sukkah, otherwise it appears like one is adding onto the mitzvah of Sukkot, which is a violation of [[Baal Tosif]]. If one wants to eat in the Sukkah one could first put one's cooking pots in the Sukkah to indicate that one isn't using the Sukkah for the mitzvah.<Ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 666:1</ref> Alternatively, one could cover the schach with a tarp.<ref>Piskei Teshuvot 666:1</ref>		# On Simchat Torah in the diaspora one should not eat or sleep in the Sukkah, otherwise it appears like one is adding onto the mitzvah of Sukkot, which is a violation of [[Baal Tosif]]. If one wants to eat in the Sukkah one could first put one's cooking pots in the Sukkah to indicate that one isn't using the Sukkah for the mitzvah.<Ref>Shulchan Aruch O.C. 666:1</ref> Alternatively, some poskim hold that one could cover the schach with a tarp.<ref>Piskei Teshuvot 666:1</ref>
			# Having intent not to fulfill the mitzvah of sitting in the Sukkah does not permit sitting in the Sukkah on Simchat Torah.<ref>Mishna Brurah 666:5 explains that a person doesn't violate baal tosif from the Torah if he intends not to sit in the Sukkah on the 9th day, but still midrabbanan it is forbidden to sit there because it appears like he is adding onto Sukkot. Igrot Moshe YD 2:141:1 is also clear about this point. If he intends to fulfill the mitzvah of Sukkah he violates baal tosif even though he made a heker (something recognizable that he isn't doing it for the mitzvah). However, to not violate the halacha he needs both not to intend to fulfill the mitzvah and also add a heker.</ref>

	===An American in Israel===		===An American in Israel===
	# A Jew from outside Israel who is visiting Israel for [[Sukkot]] should not eat in the [[Sukkah]] if it’s difficult to sit alone in the [[Sukkah]]. <Ref> Nitai Gavriel (Hilchot Arbah Minim Sh”t 8), Sh”t Minchat Yitzchak 9:54, [[Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach]] in Sh”t Minchat Shlomo 1:19, [[Rabbi Ovadyah Yosef]] in Chazon Ovadyah Sukkot (pg 480-1) and Shu"t Yechave Daat 2:76, Ot Hei LeOlam (vol 2 pg 87c; quoted by Sdei Chemed [[Sukkah]] 1)</ref> However, if he is alone anyway, such as if he’s in a hotel, Sephardim holds that he should eat in the [[Sukkah]], while Ashkenazim hold that in Israel one doesn't sit in the [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret. <Ref> Chacham Ovadia Yosef (Chazon Ovadyah [[Sukkot]] (pg 480-1) and Shu"t Yechave Daat 2:76) writes explicitly that if it’s not difficult to eat in the [[Sukkah]] such as one is staying by himself then he should sit in the [[Sukkah]]. However, Sh”t Minchat Shlomo 1:19 exempts such a person in all circumstances. So writes the Piskei Teshuvot 668:2 in name of Sh”t Minchat Yitzchak and Sh”t Minchat Shlomo. </ref>		# A Jew from outside Israel who is visiting Israel for [[Sukkot]] should not eat in the [[Sukkah]] if it’s difficult to sit alone in the [[Sukkah]]. <Ref> Nitai Gavriel (Hilchot Arbah Minim Sh”t 8), Sh”t Minchat Yitzchak 9:54, [[Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach]] in Sh”t Minchat Shlomo 1:19, [[Rabbi Ovadyah Yosef]] in Chazon Ovadyah Sukkot (pg 480-1) and Shu"t Yechave Daat 2:76, Ot Hei LeOlam (vol 2 pg 87c; quoted by Sdei Chemed [[Sukkah]] 1)</ref> However, if he is alone anyway, such as if he’s in a hotel, Sephardim holds that he should eat in the [[Sukkah]], while Ashkenazim hold that in Israel one doesn't sit in the [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret. <Ref> Chacham Ovadia Yosef (Chazon Ovadyah [[Sukkot]] (pg 480-1) and Shu"t Yechave Daat 2:76) writes explicitly that if it’s not difficult to eat in the [[Sukkah]] such as one is staying by himself then he should sit in the [[Sukkah]]. However, Sh”t Minchat Shlomo 1:19 exempts such a person in all circumstances. So writes the Piskei Teshuvot 668:2 in name of Sh”t Minchat Yitzchak and Sh”t Minchat Shlomo. </ref>
	===In Israel===		===In Israel===
	# In Israel one does not eat or sleep in the [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret (as it is no longer [[Sukkot]]). <ref>Shulchan Aruch 666:1, nitei Gavriel ([[Sukkot]] 81:4) </ref>		# In Israel one does not eat or sleep in the [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret (as it is no longer [[Sukkot]]).<ref>Shulchan Aruch 666:1, nitei Gavriel ([[Sukkot]] 81:4) </ref>
	# In Israel, if one must eat or sleep in a [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret as there’s no room inside, then one should remove 4x4 [[Tefachim]] of [[S'chach]] to show that one doesn’t intend to add to the mitzvah ([[Baal Tosif]]). <Ref>S”A 666:1 writes that in Israel, if one must eat or sleep in a [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret as there’s no room inside, then one should remove 4x4 [[Tefachim]] of [[S'chach]] to show that one doesn’t intend to add to the mitzvah ([[Baal Tosif]]). Mishna Brurah 666:5 explains that there’s no real [[Bal Tosif]] since one doesn’t violate [[Bal Tosif]] unless one intends to add to the mitzvah while it isn't the time of the mitzvah, however, there is an issue of appearing like adding to the mitzvah which is only applicable on Shemini Aseret. Nitei Gavriel 81:4 writes simply that same needs to be done if one needs to sleep in the [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret. see also [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/782472/Rabbi_Zvi_Sobolofsky/Simchas_Torah_-_How_to_'kosher'_a_Sukkah_for_Simchas_Torah Simchas Torah-How to 'kosher' a Sukkah for Simchas Torah] by Rabbi Zvi Sobolofsky</ref>		# In Israel, if one must eat or sleep in a [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret as there’s no room inside, then one should remove 4x4 [[Tefachim]] of [[S'chach]] to show that one doesn’t intend to add to the mitzvah ([[Baal Tosif]]).<Ref>S”A 666:1 writes that in Israel, if one must eat or sleep in a [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret as there’s no room inside, then one should remove 4x4 [[Tefachim]] of [[S'chach]] to show that one doesn’t intend to add to the mitzvah ([[Baal Tosif]]). Mishna Brurah 666:5 explains that there’s no real [[Bal Tosif]] since one doesn’t violate [[Bal Tosif]] unless one intends to add to the mitzvah while it isn't the time of the mitzvah, however, there is an issue of appearing like adding to the mitzvah which is only applicable on Shemini Aseret. Nitei Gavriel 81:4 writes simply that same needs to be done if one needs to sleep in the [[Sukkah]] on Shemini Aseret. see also [http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/782472/Rabbi_Zvi_Sobolofsky/Simchas_Torah_-_How_to_'kosher'_a_Sukkah_for_Simchas_Torah Simchas Torah-How to 'kosher' a Sukkah for Simchas Torah] by Rabbi Zvi Sobolofsky</ref>
	# An alternative to removing [[S'chach]] is to put a tarp on top or below 4x4 [[Tefachim]] of [[S'chach]] as long as the tarp is within 3 [[Tefachim]] of the [[S'chach]]. <ref> Piskei Teshuvot 666:1 quotes the Bikurei Yacov 666:5 who says that using 4x4 invalid [[S'chach]] isn't sufficient against the Bigdei Yesha who permits but then adds that even the Bikurei Yacov agrees that putting a tarp 4x4 [[Tefachim]] on top or below the shach within 3 [[Tefachim]] of the [[S'chach]] is sufficient. </ref>		# An alternative to removing [[S'chach]] is to put a tarp on top or below 4x4 [[Tefachim]] of [[S'chach]] as long as the tarp is within 3 [[Tefachim]] of the [[S'chach]].<ref> Piskei Teshuvot 666:1 quotes the Bikurei Yacov 666:5 who says that using 4x4 invalid [[S'chach]] isn't sufficient against the Bigdei Yesha who permits but then adds that even the Bikurei Yacov agrees that putting a tarp 4x4 [[Tefachim]] on top or below the shach within 3 [[Tefachim]] of the [[S'chach]] is sufficient. </ref>
	# It’s permissible to eat in the [[Sukkah]] after Shemini Aseret and it’s not an issue of [[Bal Tosif]]. <Ref> Rama 666:1 writes that it’s clear that one isn’t [[sitting in the Sukkah]] to fulfill the mitzvah after [[Sukkot]] and so there’s no issue of [[Bal Tosif]], however it would be an issue on Shemini Aseret because it’s so close to the holiday. </ref>		# It’s permissible to eat in the [[Sukkah]] after Shemini Aseret and it’s not an issue of [[Bal Tosif]].<Ref> Rama 666:1 writes that it’s clear that one isn’t [[sitting in the Sukkah]] to fulfill the mitzvah after [[Sukkot]] and so there’s no issue of [[Bal Tosif]], however it would be an issue on Shemini Aseret because it’s so close to the holiday. </ref>
	# It’s permissible to eat or sleep in the [[Sukkah]] before [[Sukkot]] (erev [[Sukkot]]) and it’s not an issue of [[Bal Tosif]]. <Ref> Chazon Ovadyah pg 481 holds that’s there no issue of [[Bal Tosif]] before the mitzvah was done. Interestingly, Piskei Teshuvot 666:1 raises this issue (writes that it’s strange that no one addresses this issue) and concludes leniently and adds that it’s preferable to eat a meal or snack ([[KeBaytzah]] of [[mezonot]]) outside the [[Sukkah]] after [[eating in the Sukkah]] to show that one clearly doesn’t want to add to the mitzvah. </ref>		# It’s permissible to eat or sleep in the [[Sukkah]] before [[Sukkot]] (erev [[Sukkot]]) and it’s not an issue of [[Bal Tosif]].<Ref> Chazon Ovadyah pg 481 holds that’s there no issue of [[Bal Tosif]] before the mitzvah was done. Interestingly, Piskei Teshuvot 666:1 raises this issue (writes that it’s strange that no one addresses this issue) and concludes leniently and adds that it’s preferable to eat a meal or snack ([[KeBaytzah]] of [[mezonot]]) outside the [[Sukkah]] after [[eating in the Sukkah]] to show that one clearly doesn’t want to add to the mitzvah. </ref>

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