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	A shoel or borrower is someone who is given an item to use temporarily for free. The shoel is liable if anything happens to the item, even if it is not a fault of his own. A shoel is only exempt is damage happened to the item from the task for which it was lent.		A shoel or borrower is someone who is given an item to use temporarily for free. The shoel is liable if anything happens to the item, even if it is not a fault of his own. A shoel is only exempt is damage happened to the item from the task for which it was lent.

	~~''Meta Machmat Melacha''~~- ~~Death~~ from ~~work~~		There is a dispute over what kinds of damage are exempted. Some say that that the borrower is only exempt if the item is harmed from the task for which the item was lent; for example if someone borrows an animal and the animal is harmed from the strain of work. If someone borrowed an animal for a journey and rob


			A town is attacked by raiders and one of the townspeople borrows weapons from another- and the townspeople lose the battle and the weapons are captured. Some say that the borrower is exempt from liability for the weapons, since the loss of weapons in battle is a risk of weapons borrowing. Others say that the borrower is obligated, because there is nothing wrong with the weapons.<ref>Shach CM 340.6</ref>

	== ''Balav imo'' ==		== ''Balav imo'' ==

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How do you become a shomer?

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	# If the owner asks someone to watch something, and the other person responds "leave it," the person's response is not considered to be acceptance of the role of shomer.<ref>Shulchan Aruch CM 291:2</ref>		# If the owner asks someone to watch something, and the other person responds "leave it," the person's response is not considered to be acceptance of the role of shomer.<ref>Shulchan Aruch CM 291:2</ref>
	## if someone at an airport asks to leave something with someone else, the person with the item does not become a shomer.<ref>https://baishavaad.org/how-does-one-accept-the-responsibility-to-be-a-shomer/</ref>		## if someone at an airport asks to leave something with someone else, the person with the item does not become a shomer.<ref>https://baishavaad.org/how-does-one-accept-the-responsibility-to-be-a-shomer/</ref>
	~~# At the time of acceptance as shomer, the shomer is able to ask the owner to change his liability if something goes wrong.~~
	# If someone gives something to carry somewhere- it is assumed that by taking the item someone has become a shomer Chinam.<ref>Shut Rosh 94:2. The Rosh was asked about a case where Reuben (pseudonym) heard that Shimon (pseudonym) would be traveling to a nearby city. Reuben asked Shimon to carry a pair of shoes for him. Shimon agreed. Shimon put the shoes on his donkey without tying them down. When Shimon got off his donkey to use the bathroom, the shoes fell off and were lost. Reuben demanded that Shimon pay for his negligence because Shimon was a Shomer Chinam.		# If someone gives something to carry somewhere- it is assumed that by taking the item someone has become a shomer Chinam.<ref>Shut Rosh 94:2. The Rosh was asked about a case where Reuben (pseudonym) heard that Shimon (pseudonym) would be traveling to a nearby city. Reuben asked Shimon to carry a pair of shoes for him. Shimon agreed. Shimon put the shoes on his donkey without tying them down. When Shimon got off his donkey to use the bathroom, the shoes fell off and were lost. Reuben demanded that Shimon pay for his negligence because Shimon was a Shomer Chinam.

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	In Mordechai Bava Kama (Remez 207), a story is quoted of a person who borrowed a sword which he later lost. It turned out that the sword really had been used as collateral for a loan by the lender. Therefore when the borrower lost the sword, he had not only caused a loss of the sword itself, but rather the loss of the entire loan. The Mordechai writes that the borrower is only liable to pay the value of the sword proper, since the borrower was not aware of the sword's collateral value when he borrowed the sword.</ref>		In Mordechai Bava Kama (Remez 207), a story is quoted of a person who borrowed a sword which he later lost. It turned out that the sword really had been used as collateral for a loan by the lender. Therefore when the borrower lost the sword, he had not only caused a loss of the sword itself, but rather the loss of the entire loan. The Mordechai writes that the borrower is only liable to pay the value of the sword proper, since the borrower was not aware of the sword's collateral value when he borrowed the sword.</ref>
			# If someone gives an item to a child to watch the child does not become a shomer.<ref>Pitchei Choshen 3:1.15</ref>
			# If a child gives something to watch to an adult, it is disputable whether the adult becomes a shomer.<ref>Pitchei Choshen 3:1.18</ref>
			# The rules of shomer do not apply to the following types of assets. It is disputed whether someone who watches the following items is liable if he is negligent.
			## land
			## servants
			## debt documents
			#The rules of shomer do not apply to assets received from non-Jews
			#For cases where the rules of shomer don't apply- the person receiving the item to watch can still become liable if he does a formal act of kinyan.

	== Shomer Shmasar Lshomer ==		== Shomer Shmasar Lshomer ==

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	# There is no one fast rule on how much a Shomer chinam is recquired to watch an item. The level of shmira depends on the nature of the watched item and its vulnerabilities. A shomer chinam must follow this standard of care, even if he is not so careful with his own possessions. <ref>SA CM 291:13-18</ref>		# There is no one fast rule on how much a Shomer chinam is recquired to watch an item. The level of shmira depends on the nature of the watched item and its vulnerabilities. A shomer chinam must follow this standard of care, even if he is not so careful with his own possessions. <ref>SA CM 291:13-18</ref>
	## If the Shomer explicitly asks the owner of the item permission, he can agree to a different standard of shmira		## If the Shomer explicitly asks the owner of the item permission, he can agree to a different standard of shmira
	~~# A shomer chinam~~

	== Shomer Sachar ==		== Shomer Sachar ==

	# A shomer sachar is liable for all situations that the item is lost, except when the loss happened outside of his control.		# A shomer sachar is liable for all situations that the item is lost, except when the loss happened outside of his control.
			# A shomer sacher must watch the item with a higher level of care than a shomer chinam. A shomer sacher must protect the item even against dangers that are unlikely.<ref>Pitchei Choshen 3:2.2</ref>
	# In order to be considered a shomer sacher, he must be paid a salary (minimum 1 prutah) to watch the item.<ref>Pitchei Chosen 3:1.2</ref>		# In order to be considered a shomer sacher, he must be paid a salary (minimum 1 prutah) to watch the item.<ref>Pitchei Chosen 3:1.2</ref>
	# A craftsman is a shomer sacher for the things which he repairs.<ref>Pitchei Choshen 3:1.3</ref>		# A craftsman is a shomer sacher for the things which he repairs.<ref>Pitchei Choshen 3:1.3</ref>
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	# A housekeeper is a shomer sacher if he is given something to watch. Some say that a housekeeper is a shomer sacher on everything in the house.<ref>Pitchei Choshen 3:1.7</ref>		# A housekeeper is a shomer sacher if he is given something to watch. Some say that a housekeeper is a shomer sacher on everything in the house.<ref>Pitchei Choshen 3:1.7</ref>
	# If someone receives a non-financial benefit because they watched an item (like a favor), they are a shomer sacher. <ref>Pitchei Choshen 3:1.9</ref>		# If someone receives a non-financial benefit because they watched an item (like a favor), they are a shomer sacher. <ref>Pitchei Choshen 3:1.9</ref>
			# A paid babysitter who takes a kid to the park is a shomer sachaer on the stroller and toys brought along.<ref>Pitchei Choshen 3:1.7 footnote 17</ref>
	== Socher ==		== Socher ==
	A socher is someone who pays money in order to rent an item. A socher has the same liabilities as shomer sacher.		A socher is someone who pays money in order to rent an item. A socher has the same liabilities as shomer sacher.

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	== Shomer Sachar ==		== Shomer Sachar ==

	# A shomer sachar is liable for all situations that the item is lost, except when the loss happened outside of his control		# A shomer sachar is liable for all situations that the item is lost, except when the loss happened outside of his control.
	~~# A Shomer sacher is obligated to guard against even unlikely dangers~~		# In order to be considered a shomer sacher, he must be paid a salary (minimum 1 prutah) to watch the item.<ref>Pitchei Chosen 3:1.2</ref>
	# In order to be considered a shomer sacher, he must be paid a salary ~~for his work with~~ the item.		# A craftsman is a shomer sacher for the things which he repairs.<ref>Pitchei Choshen 3:1.3</ref>
	~~# Any person who profits because of the item is considered a shomer sachar~~		# A broker is a shomer Sachar for the items he stores on behalf of a seller.<ref>Pitchei Choshen 3:1.5</ref>
	# A craftsman is a shomer sacher for the things which he repairs		# Someone who is paid to deliver something is a Shomer sacher for the item.<ref>Pitchei Choshen 3:1.4</ref>
	# A broker is a shomer Sachar for the items he stores on behalf of a seller		# Anyone who profits because of an item which they are watching becomes a shomer sacher for it.<ref>Pitchei Choshen 3:1.4</ref>
			# A housekeeper is a shomer sacher if he is given something to watch. Some say that a housekeeper is a shomer sacher on everything in the house.<ref>Pitchei Choshen 3:1.7</ref>
			# If someone receives a non-financial benefit because they watched an item (like a favor), they are a shomer sacher. <ref>Pitchei Choshen 3:1.9</ref>


	== Socher ==		== Socher ==
	A socher is someone who pays money in order to rent an item. A socher has the same liabilities as shomer sacher.		A socher is someone who pays money in order to rent an item. A socher has the same liabilities as shomer sacher.

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	When someone temporarily has someone else's property, they become a shomer- or bailee in contemporary English. As shomer, they have a responsibility towards the item, and a corresponding liability if something goes wrong.		When someone temporarily has someone else's property, they become a shomer- or bailee in contemporary English. As shomer, they have a responsibility towards the item, and a corresponding liability if something goes wrong.

	The Torah distinguishes between four categories of shomrim who each have a different level of liability and responsibility		The Torah (Shemot 22:6-14) distinguishes between four categories of shomrim who each have a different level of liability and responsibility

	'''Shomer Chinam'''- Someone who watches someone else's item for no salary		'''Shomer Chinam'''- Someone who watches someone else's item for no salary

	'''Shomer Sachar'''- Someone who is paid to watch something		'''Shomer Sachar'''- Someone who is paid to watch something

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	# Someone does not become a shomer until the owner of the item asks them to watch the item, and the other party verbally accepts to watch the item.		# Someone does not become a shomer until the owner of the item asks them to watch the item, and the other party verbally accepts to watch the item.
	# Some say that even if the person has agreed to be a shomer, his responsibilities as shomer don't begin until he makes a formal act of acquisition on the item.<ref>Shulchan Aruch CM 291:4</ref>		# Some say that even if the person has agreed to be a shomer, his responsibilities as shomer don't begin until he makes a formal act of acquisition on the item.<ref>Shulchan Aruch CM 291:4</ref> Because there is a dispute over whether an act of acquisition is actually require, in situations where someone accepted to be a Shomer but did not do a kinyan, we don't treat the person as a shomer.<ref>https://baishavaad.org/does-a-shomer-need-to-make-a-kinyan/</ref>
			## however- if a Shomer is paid, receiving the payment is a form of acquisition.<ref>https://baishavaad.org/does-a-shomer-need-to-make-a-kinyan/</ref>
	# If the owner asks someone to watch something, and the other person responds "leave it," the person's response is not considered to be acceptance of the role of shomer.<ref>Shulchan Aruch CM 291:2</ref>		# If the owner asks someone to watch something, and the other person responds "leave it," the person's response is not considered to be acceptance of the role of shomer.<ref>Shulchan Aruch CM 291:2</ref>
			## if someone at an airport asks to leave something with someone else, the person with the item does not become a shomer.<ref>https://baishavaad.org/how-does-one-accept-the-responsibility-to-be-a-shomer/</ref>
	# At the time of acceptance as shomer, the shomer is able to ask the owner to change his liability if something goes wrong.		# At the time of acceptance as shomer, the shomer is able to ask the owner to change his liability if something goes wrong.
	# If someone gives something to carry somewhere- it is assumed that by taking the item someone has become a shomer Chinam.<ref>Shut Rosh 94:2. The Rosh was asked about a case where Reuben (pseudonym) heard that Shimon (pseudonym) would be traveling to a nearby city. Reuben asked Shimon to carry a pair of shoes for him. Shimon agreed. Shimon put the shoes on his donkey without tying them down. When Shimon got off his donkey to use the bathroom, the shoes fell off and were lost. Reuben demanded that Shimon pay for his negligence because Shimon was a Shomer Chinam.		# If someone gives something to carry somewhere- it is assumed that by taking the item someone has become a shomer Chinam.<ref>Shut Rosh 94:2. The Rosh was asked about a case where Reuben (pseudonym) heard that Shimon (pseudonym) would be traveling to a nearby city. Reuben asked Shimon to carry a pair of shoes for him. Shimon agreed. Shimon put the shoes on his donkey without tying them down. When Shimon got off his donkey to use the bathroom, the shoes fell off and were lost. Reuben demanded that Shimon pay for his negligence because Shimon was a Shomer Chinam.
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	This teshuva of the Rosh is quoted in the Shulchan Aruch CM 291:2.</ref>		This teshuva of the Rosh is quoted in the Shulchan Aruch CM 291:2.</ref>
			# If someone were to to ask someone else to use the other person's safe, the safe owner asked not accepted to be a Shomer for the item placed in the safe.<ref>https://baishavaad.org/if-i-let-someone-put-something-in-my-safe-for-safekeeping-do-i-become-a-shomer/</ref>
	# One is only a shomer for that which the shomer is aware of. Some say if you accepted the role of Shomer mistakenly, you are not a shomer.<ref>Shulchan Aruch CM 291:4.		# One is only a shomer for that which the shomer is aware of. Some say if you accepted the role of Shomer mistakenly, you are not a shomer.<ref>Shulchan Aruch CM 291:4.

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	# One guard should not give the item to another guard to watch. However, he could give it to his wife or children to watch.<reF>Bava Metsia 36b, Shulchan Aruch C.M. 291:21</ref>		# One guard should not give the item to another guard to watch. However, he could give it to his wife or children to watch.<reF>Bava Metsia 36b, Shulchan Aruch C.M. 291:21</ref>
	==Shomer Chinam==		==Shomer Chinam==
	# A shomer chinam, someone watching someone's property for free, is ~~exempt from lose and theft~~.<ref>Bava Metsia 94b, Shulchan Aruch C.M. 291:1</ref>		# A shomer chinam, someone watching someone's property for free, is only obligated in a case of negligance.<ref>Bava Metsia 94b, Shulchan Aruch C.M. 291:1</ref>
	# When a shomer chinam loses something he's exempt. Some say that he is exempt once he put in a safe place and doesn't remember where he left it. Others argue that he is obligated in such a case because of negligence. Rather he is only exempt if he left it in a safe place and now he looks in that place and doesn't see it. He is exempt even though there's no suspicion of a robbery but nonetheless if it was moved by someone else or the like it is called losing an object and is exempt.<ref> Gemara Bava Metsia 35a explains that if a person lost an object because he doesn't know that is negligence and not exempt. Meiri b"m 35a quotes two opinions about the definition of losing an object that is exempt. Some say that one is exempt anytime one put it in a safe place but if one doesn't remember where he left it that is negligence since he didn't put it in a safe place. However, others say that it is negligence if one doesn't remember where one left it even if one certainly put it in a safe place. Shomrim Hafked p. 138 explains that according to the second opinion the only time one is exempt for losing an object is if one looks in the place where one left it and it isn't there but there was no evidence of thievery. This is implied by Igrot Moshe CM 1:32. Ritva b"m 35a follows the first opinion of the Meiri, but the Rambam and Shulchan Aruch CM 291:7 follow the second opinion. Shomrim Hafked does as well.</ref>		# When a shomer chinam loses something he's exempt. Some say that he is exempt once he put in a safe place and doesn't remember where he left it. Others argue that he is obligated in such a case because of negligence. Rather he is only exempt if he left it in a safe place and now he looks in that place and doesn't see it. He is exempt even though there's no suspicion of a robbery but nonetheless if it was moved by someone else or the like it is called losing an object and is exempt.<ref> Gemara Bava Metsia 35a explains that if a person lost an object because he doesn't know that is negligence and not exempt. Meiri b"m 35a quotes two opinions about the definition of losing an object that is exempt. Some say that one is exempt anytime one put it in a safe place but if one doesn't remember where he left it that is negligence since he didn't put it in a safe place. However, others say that it is negligence if one doesn't remember where one left it even if one certainly put it in a safe place. Shomrim Hafked p. 138 explains that according to the second opinion the only time one is exempt for losing an object is if one looks in the place where one left it and it isn't there but there was no evidence of thievery. This is implied by Igrot Moshe CM 1:32. Ritva b"m 35a follows the first opinion of the Meiri, but the Rambam and Shulchan Aruch CM 291:7 follow the second opinion. Shomrim Hafked does as well.</ref>
			# A shomer chinam needs only to do the minimum necessary to guard again everyday dangers
			# There is no one fast rule on how much a Shomer chinam is recquired to watch an item. The level of shmira depends on the nature of the watched item and its vulnerabilities. A shomer chinam must follow this standard of care, even if he is not so careful with his own possessions. <ref>SA CM 291:13-18</ref>
			## If the Shomer explicitly asks the owner of the item permission, he can agree to a different standard of shmira
			# A shomer chinam

	== Shomer Sachar ==		== Shomer Sachar ==

	# A shomer sachar is liable for all situations that the item is lost, except when the loss happened outside of his control		# A shomer sachar is liable for all situations that the item is lost, except when the loss happened outside of his control
			# A Shomer sacher is obligated to guard against even unlikely dangers
	# In order to be considered a shomer sacher, he must be paid a salary for his work with the item.		# In order to be considered a shomer sacher, he must be paid a salary for his work with the item.
	# Any person who profits because of the item is considered a shomer sachar		# Any person who profits because of the item is considered a shomer sachar

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	~~== '''UNDER CONSTRUCtion''' ==~~
	When someone temporarily has someone else's property, they become a shomer- or bailee in contemporary English. As shomer, they have a responsibility towards the item, and a corresponding liability if something goes wrong.		When someone temporarily has someone else's property, they become a shomer- or bailee in contemporary English. As shomer, they have a responsibility towards the item, and a corresponding liability if something goes wrong.

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	== How do you become a shomer? ==		== How do you become a shomer? ==
	~~Someone does not become a shomer until the owner of the item asks them to watch the item, and the other party verbally accepts to watch the item.~~

	Some say that even if the person has agreed to be a shomer, his responsibilities as shomer don't begin until he makes a formal act of ~~acquistion~~ on the item.		# Someone does not become a shomer until the owner of the item asks them to watch the item, and the other party verbally accepts to watch the item.
			# Some say that even if the person has agreed to be a shomer, his responsibilities as shomer don't begin until he makes a formal act of acquisition on the item.<ref>Shulchan Aruch CM 291:4</ref>
			# If the owner asks someone to watch something, and the other person responds "leave it," the person's response is not considered to be acceptance of the role of shomer.<ref>Shulchan Aruch CM 291:2</ref>
			# At the time of acceptance as shomer, the shomer is able to ask the owner to change his liability if something goes wrong.
			# If someone gives something to carry somewhere- it is assumed that by taking the item someone has become a shomer Chinam.<ref>Shut Rosh 94:2. The Rosh was asked about a case where Reuben (pseudonym) heard that Shimon (pseudonym) would be traveling to a nearby city. Reuben asked Shimon to carry a pair of shoes for him. Shimon agreed. Shimon put the shoes on his donkey without tying them down. When Shimon got off his donkey to use the bathroom, the shoes fell off and were lost. Reuben demanded that Shimon pay for his negligence because Shimon was a Shomer Chinam.

	~~If the owner asks someone~~ to ~~watch something~~, ~~and the other person responds~~ "~~leave it," the person's response is~~ not ~~considered~~ to be ~~acceptance of~~ the ~~role of shomer~~.		The Rosh ruled that even though Shimon did not accept upon himself to be shomer, nevertheless since he nevertheless became shomer because were "he not to guard them in the road, certainly they would be lost in the road."

	At the ~~time of acceptance as~~ shomer, the shomer is ~~able to ask~~ the ~~owner to change his liability if something goes wrong~~.		This teshuva of the Rosh is quoted in the Shulchan Aruch CM 291:2.</ref>
			# One is only a shomer for that which the shomer is aware of. Some say if you accepted the role of Shomer mistakenly, you are not a shomer.<ref>Shulchan Aruch CM 291:4.

	~~Some say~~ if ~~you accepted~~ the ~~role~~ of ~~Shomer mistakenly~~, ~~you are~~ not a ~~shomer~~.		In Bava Kama 62a, Rava is quoted as having said that if someone give a shomer a coin to guard and tells him that it is silver but it is really gold. If the coin is later damaged by virtue of the shomer's negligence, the shomer only has to pay the value of a silver coin, since he thought he was accepting to be shomer of a silver coin.

			In Mordechai Bava Kama (Remez 207), a story is quoted of a person who borrowed a sword which he later lost. It turned out that the sword really had been used as collateral for a loan by the lender. Therefore when the borrower lost the sword, he had not only caused a loss of the sword itself, but rather the loss of the entire loan. The Mordechai writes that the borrower is only liable to pay the value of the sword proper, since the borrower was not aware of the sword's collateral value when he borrowed the sword.</ref>

	== Shomer Shmasar Lshomer ==		== Shomer Shmasar Lshomer ==
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	== Shomer Sachar ==		== Shomer Sachar ==
	~~A shomer sachar is liable for all situations that the item is lost, except when the loss happened outside of his control~~

	~~In order to be considered a shomer sacher, he must be paid a salary for his work with the item.~~

	~~Any person who profits because of the item is considered a shomer sachar~~

	A craftsman is a shomer sacher for the things which he repairs		# A shomer sachar is liable for all situations that the item is lost, except when the loss happened outside of his control
			# In order to be considered a shomer sacher, he must be paid a salary for his work with the item.
			# Any person who profits because of the item is considered a shomer sachar
			# A craftsman is a shomer sacher for the things which he repairs
			# A broker is a shomer Sachar for the items he stores on behalf of a seller

	~~A broker is a shomer Sachar for the items he stores on behalf of a seller~~


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	== Shoel ==		== Shoel ==
	A shoel or borrower is someone who is given an item to use temporarily for free. The shoel is liable if anything happens to the item, even if it is not a fault of his own. A shoel is only exempt is damage happened to the item from the task for which it was lent.		A shoel or borrower is someone who is given an item to use temporarily for free. The shoel is liable if anything happens to the item, even if it is not a fault of his own. A shoel is only exempt is damage happened to the item from the task for which it was lent.

			''Meta Machmat Melacha''- Death from work

	== ''Balav imo'' ==		== ''Balav imo'' ==

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			== '''UNDER CONSTRUCtion''' ==
	When someone temporarily has someone else's property, they become a shomer- or bailee in contemporary English. As shomer, they have a responsibility towards the item, and a corresponding liability if something goes wrong.		When someone temporarily has someone else's property, they become a shomer- or bailee in contemporary English. As shomer, they have a responsibility towards the item, and a corresponding liability if something goes wrong.

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	== Socher ==		== Socher ==
			A socher is someone who pays money in order to rent an item. A socher has the same liabilities as shomer sacher.

	== Shoel ==		== Shoel ==
			A shoel or borrower is someone who is given an item to use temporarily for free. The shoel is liable if anything happens to the item, even if it is not a fault of his own. A shoel is only exempt is damage happened to the item from the task for which it was lent.

	== ''Balav imo'' ==		== ''Balav imo'' ==
			A shoel and socher are exempt from liability if they began work accompanied by the owner.

	==Sources==		==Sources==
	<references/>		<references/>
	[[Category: Choshen Mishpat]]		[[Category: Choshen Mishpat]]

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How do you become a shomer?

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 == Shomer Sachar ==
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