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# There is a discussion amongst the poskim if one can take a taxi or bus after [[Shabbat]] with a driver who didn't recite [[havdala]]. <ref> | # There is a discussion amongst the poskim if one can take a taxi or bus after [[Shabbat]] with a driver who didn't recite [[havdala]]. <ref> | ||
* Rav Yisrael Yaakov Fischer (Even Yisrael 8:25) was lenient. His logic was that the purpose of [[havdala]] is to separate between kodesh and chol, but once a person already did melacha before [[havdala]] it is already chol for him and he is no longer obligated in [[havdala]]. Thus it would be permitted for a person to benefit from his melacha because it is not called chilul [[Shabbat]] anymore. | * Rav Yisrael Yaakov Fischer (Even Yisrael 8:25) was lenient. His logic was that the purpose of [[havdala]] is to separate between kodesh and chol, but once a person already did melacha before [[havdala]] it is already chol for him and he is no longer obligated in [[havdala]]. Thus it would be permitted for a person to benefit from his melacha because it is not called chilul [[Shabbat]] anymore. | ||
* Tzitz Eliezer 12:37 suggests that you greet the driver with a shavua tov and hopefully the driver will respond shavua tov , and thereby fulfill his torah obligation of [[havdala]]. Shemirat | * Tzitz Eliezer 12:37 suggests that you greet the driver with a shavua tov and hopefully the driver will respond shavua tov , and thereby fulfill his torah obligation of [[havdala]]. Shemirat Shabbat Kihilchita 58: note 31 disagreed and says this wouldn’t work and only [[shabbat]] shalom would potentially work to fulfill [[kiddish]] but shavua tov wouldn’t work for [[havdala]]. | ||
* Teshuvot Vihanhagot 1:161 writes that once a Jew has performed melacha he may continue to perform melacha for you even before [[havdala]]. Rav Shternbuch also raises the argument that the only reason melacha is prohibited in the first place is so that you wouldn’t forget to say [[havdala]], which wouldn’t apply to someone who doesn’t plan on saying it anyway. | * Teshuvot Vihanhagot 1:161 writes that once a Jew has performed melacha he may continue to perform melacha for you even before [[havdala]]. Rav Shternbuch also raises the argument that the only reason melacha is prohibited in the first place is so that you wouldn’t forget to say [[havdala]], which wouldn’t apply to someone who doesn’t plan on saying it anyway. | ||
* For clarification see [http://www.bknw.org/uploads/5/9/9/5/5995719/taxis_in_israel_on_motzai_shabbos.pdf Rabbi Aryeh Lebowitz] | * For clarification see [http://www.bknw.org/uploads/5/9/9/5/5995719/taxis_in_israel_on_motzai_shabbos.pdf Rabbi Aryeh Lebowitz] | ||
