Davening with a Minyan That Uses a Different Nusach
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- 1 General - Lo Titgodedu
- 2 Ashkenazim
- 3 Sepharadim Praying with Ashkenazim
- 4 Further Reading
- 5 Sources
General - Lo Titgodedu
See the Dirshu Mishnah Berurah Siman 68 for an essay that has much value for Ashkenazim in these situations.
Praying with Nusach Sephard
Praying with Edot HaMizrach (Sepharadim)
Sepharadim Praying with Ashkenazim
Pronunciation (Havara) & Nusach
- One may not change his pronunciation of the words to that of the Ashkenazim. The Sepharadic tradition has roots going back generations and should not be shirked; Ashkenazim may choose to pray in the Sepharadi pronunciation.
- The Chida writes how the Sepharadic Nusach is laden with more Kabbalistic secrets than the Ashkenazi one, and, according to the Arizal, has more routes to Heaven. Therefore, Ashkenazim can switch to Nusach Edot HaMizrach.
- In general, one should have a separate Minyan for Sepharadim to pray according to their tradition, especially for Yamim Noraim.
- One should still put on his Tefillin Shel Yad as normal, even though Ashkenazim stand for both Shel Yad and Shel Rosh.
- If one hears an Ashkenazi recite the Beracha of Al Mitzvat Tefillin on Tefillin Shel Rosh (without having talked after putting on the Shel Yad), he should not answer Amen, but it's praiseworthy to answer in one's thoughts.
- One recites Kedushah according to the Sepharadic Nusach.
- Since the Rambam considers it a Beracha Levatala, one may not answer Amen to the Berachot recited by Ashkenazim on Hallel on Rosh Chodesh.
- One need not recite the 13 Middot (with the trop) each time during the long Tachanun on Mondays and Thursdays. He should suffice with just the first time after Vidui and at all subsequent locations finish the paragraph of El Melech with "וכן כתוב בתורתך".
- Ashkenazim recite Berikh Shemeh whenever they take out the Torah, while Sepharadim only recite it on days when Mussaf is recited. If one is in a part of davening in which he may interrupt, it's worthwhile for him to stop and join the Ashkenazim in Berikh Shemeh.
- One should read the Haftarah himself with the Sepharadic pronunciation and not let the Ashkenazi Shliach Tzibbur do it for him.
- Ashkenazim recite Aleinu after Uva LeTzion, before Shir Shel Yom, which is not the order accepted by Sepharadim Kabbalistically. Therefore, one should continue praying as usual when the Ashkenazi Minyan he's in recites Aleinu and not change things. If the entire Tzibbur is standing, then he should stand, too, so he doesn't stand out by sitting.
- One should arrive a few minutes early to Mincha in order to recite Lamnatzeach and Pitum HaKetoret. If time is short, one can skip Ashrei and say it afterwards.
- If given Shelishi at Mincha on a fast day, one may accept the Aliyah and read the Haftarah with the Berachot.
- One should make an effort to hear Parshat Zachor in the Sepharadic pronunciation and from a Sepharadic Sefer Torah.
- One who is in mourning and wishes to lead the Tefillah in an Ashkenazi Minyan should first seek the approval of the Ashkenazim to pray Nusach Edot HaMizrach. If they do not acquiesce, he should not be Shaliach Tzibbur.
Other Parts of Tefillah
Such as Birkot HaShachar, Pesukei deZimra, Birkot Keriat Shema
- One may not recite the Beracha on Hallel on Rosh Chodesh but must rather allow one of the congregants to recite it for everyone instead.
Reciting Mourner's Kaddish
- The Sepharadic Kaddish is recited with all of its highlights and nuances, except one may shorten "Yehe Shelama Rabbah" if reciting Kaddish with Ashkenazi mourners so that they conclude together.
Sitting During Kaddish and Barechu
- It's proper to stand for Kaddish and Barechu so that one is not sitting between all those who are standing.
- One should answer "Amen" to "Brikh Hu" as usual.
- Banim Chavivim by Rav Eli Yanai
- Shu"t Marot Yesharim (vol. 1 Siman 3) by Rav Yehia Teboul, Av Beit Din of Lyon, regarding standing for Aleinu and general practices for when praying with Ashkenazim.
- Yalkut Yosef Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 56:25, 101:4-5
- Yalkut Yosef Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 101:12
- Yalkut Yosef Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 101:7
- Yalkut Yosef Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 582:1
- Yalkut Yosef Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 25:70
- Yalkut Yosef Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 25:54, 422:4
- Yalkut Yosef Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 101:10
- Yalkut Yosef Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 422:4
- Yalkut Yosef Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 134:"Seder vehu Rachum":4
- Yalkut Yosef Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 134:"Seder Hotza'at veHagbaat HaSefer Torah":6
- Yalkut Yosef Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 144:2
- Yalkut Yosef Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 132:20
- Yalkut Yosef Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 233:12
- Yalkut Yosef Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 144:23. There's either more room to be stringent and try to avoid the situation on Tzom Gedaliah or a contradiction in Yalkut Yosef. See Yabia Omer (vol. 10 Orach Chaim 44) and Yalkut Yosef Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 601:4
- Yalkut Yosef Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 685:12
- Yalkut Yosef Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 101:11
- Yabia Omer (vol. 1 Siman 29:6-9, vol. 4 Siman 9:6, vol. 8 Siman 23:11), Yechave Da'at (vol. 4 Siman 31), Yalkut Yosef Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 422:3
- Yalkut Yosef Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 56:25, Yoreh Deah 30:57
- Yalkut Yosef Kitzur Shulchan Aruch 56:11
- Yalkut Yosef Kitzur Shulchan Aruch Yoreh Deah 30:48