16,374
edits
Kli SheMelachto LeIsser: Difference between revisions
From Halachipedia
→For it’s space
| Line 31: | Line 31: | ||
# If one has a certain insistence on using the space that the [[Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur]] occupies specifically and not another space that’s available, one may move the [[Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur]]. <Ref> Sh”t Az Nidbaru 8:64, Yalkut Yosef ([[Shabbat]] vol 2, pg 414-5) </ref> | # If one has a certain insistence on using the space that the [[Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur]] occupies specifically and not another space that’s available, one may move the [[Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur]]. <Ref> Sh”t Az Nidbaru 8:64, Yalkut Yosef ([[Shabbat]] vol 2, pg 414-5) </ref> | ||
# Some say that it’s permitted to move the [[Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur]] if it’s space is needed even if one’s primary intent is to move the object to protect it from breaking, while others forbid. <Ref> Sh”t Shevet HaLevi 1:127(6) understood Mishna Brurah 308:16 as saying that it’s permissible to move a [[Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur]] even if one’s primary intent is to protect it whether it’s a need for the kli itself or a need for it’s space. However, Sh”t Az Nidbaru 8:64 argues that this leniency is only true regarding a need for the kli itself but not when the space is needed (especially if there’s other space available). </ref> | # Some say that it’s permitted to move the [[Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur]] if it’s space is needed even if one’s primary intent is to move the object to protect it from breaking, while others forbid. <Ref> Sh”t Shevet HaLevi 1:127(6) understood Mishna Brurah 308:16 as saying that it’s permissible to move a [[Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur]] even if one’s primary intent is to protect it whether it’s a need for the kli itself or a need for it’s space. However, Sh”t Az Nidbaru 8:64 argues that this leniency is only true regarding a need for the kli itself but not when the space is needed (especially if there’s other space available). </ref> | ||
# Some permit moving an alarm to another room so that it doesn't wake you up early because that is considered tzorech mikomo.<ref>Torat Hamuktzeh p. 277 writes that one could move an alarm clock that is going off and is bothering you. He cites the Kavanat Halev 16. Similarly, Orchot Shabbat v. 2 p. 16 writes that it is considered tzorech mikomo to move a phone that has an alarm going off and bothering you. He nonetheless recommends not using a cell phone for an alarm clock on Shabbat because of zilzul Shabbat.</ref> | |||
====Other reasons to permit==== | ====Other reasons to permit==== | ||
# Some permit moving a [[Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur]] in order to protect it so that later on that [[Shabbat]] one will be able to use the [[Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur]] itself for a permitted purpose. <Ref> Tiltulei [[Shabbat]] (pg 39) quoting Tehilah LeDavid 308:5 </ref> | # Some permit moving a [[Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur]] in order to protect it so that later on that [[Shabbat]] one will be able to use the [[Kli Sh’Melachto LeIssur]] itself for a permitted purpose. <Ref> Tiltulei [[Shabbat]] (pg 39) quoting Tehilah LeDavid 308:5 </ref> | ||
