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# Regarding merchandise that can be sold, if the owner is particular not to use it, it’s Muktzeh Machmat Chisaron Kis, however, if the owner isn’t concerned that it’ll get ruined, it’s not [[Muktzeh]]. <Ref>The Bet Yosef 308:1 asks how the Rambam could write that merchandise is Muktzeh Machmat Chisaron Kis if the Gemara [[Shabbat]] 19b implies that it isn't [[Muktzeh]] according to Rabbi Shimon and he concludes that if the owner is concerned about using it then it is Muktzeh Machmat Chisaron Kis, but if he isn't concerned it isn't [[Muktzeh]]. Rama 308:1 and Mishna Brurah 308:7 codify this as halacha. Chazon Ish 42:16 clarifies that merchandise can be Muktzeh Machmat Chisaron Kis even if the item is otherwise a [[Kli SheMelachto LeHeter]]. Shulchan Aruch HaRav 308:4 and Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 20:21 agree.</ref> | # Regarding merchandise that can be sold, if the owner is particular not to use it, it’s Muktzeh Machmat Chisaron Kis, however, if the owner isn’t concerned that it’ll get ruined, it’s not [[Muktzeh]]. <Ref>The Bet Yosef 308:1 asks how the Rambam could write that merchandise is Muktzeh Machmat Chisaron Kis if the Gemara [[Shabbat]] 19b implies that it isn't [[Muktzeh]] according to Rabbi Shimon and he concludes that if the owner is concerned about using it then it is Muktzeh Machmat Chisaron Kis, but if he isn't concerned it isn't [[Muktzeh]]. Rama 308:1 and Mishna Brurah 308:7 codify this as halacha. Chazon Ish 42:16 clarifies that merchandise can be Muktzeh Machmat Chisaron Kis even if the item is otherwise a [[Kli SheMelachto LeHeter]]. Shulchan Aruch HaRav 308:4 and Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 20:21 agree.</ref> | ||
# Some say that Muktza Machmat Chisaron Kis only applies to vessels that are already Kli SheMelachto LeIssur but not to vessels that are [[Kli SheMelachto LeHeter]].<reF>Shulchan Aruch HaRav 308:4, Yalkut Yosef (vol 2, pp. 328-332)</ref> | # Some say that Muktza Machmat Chisaron Kis only applies to vessels that are already Kli SheMelachto LeIssur but not to vessels that are [[Kli SheMelachto LeHeter]].<reF>Shulchan Aruch HaRav 308:4, Yalkut Yosef (vol 2, pp. 328-332) | ||
Can you have muktzeh machmat chisaron kis for a kli shemelachto lheter? | |||
* Gemara 45b initially assumes that a canopy is muktzeh machmat chisaron kis (see Tosfot 46a) even though it is kli shemelachto lheter. Peni Yehoshua in fact is bothered why the gemara makes this assumption if it is impossible to have muktzeh machmat chisaron kis for a kli shemelachto lheter. Tosefet Shabbat 310:13 answers that a canopy is melachto lisur binyan ohel. Also, Shulchan Aruch Harav 308:4 holds that it is impossible to have muktzeh machat chisaron kis for kli shemelachto lisur. | |||
* Chazon Ish 41:17 and 43:16 argues that there’s muktzeh machmat chisaron kis for all kelim. Shaarei Muktzeh siman 15 p. 105 quotes Tosfot 46a, Rashba (Avodat Hakodesh Moed 5), Rosh Yosef 46a s.v. vda, Mahari Avuhav 308:1, and Mishna Brurah 308:8 that agree with the Chazon Ish that all utensils can be muktzeh machmat chisaron kis. However, Rosh (responsa 22), Tosefet Shabbat 310:13, Peni Yehoshua 46a, Shulchan Aruch Harav 308:4, and Yalkut Yosef (vol 2, pp. 328-332) hold that it only applies to kli shemelachto lisur. The reason for this approach is that a kli shemelachto lisur is partially designated not to be used and once they are also expensive and fragile then they are completely designated not to be used. | |||
* Rambam Shabbat 25:9 writes that utensils that are designated to be sold are muktzeh machat chisaron kis. Why? Shulchan Aruch Harav 308:4 and Rav Pinchas Brandsfeman (Shiurim v. 6 p. 7) answer that utensils to be sold are all kli shemelachto lisur. However, Tehilah Ldovid 308:1 answers that even a kli shemelachto lheter are muktzeh machmat chisaron kis since you don’t want to move it since it is designated to be sold. </ref> The reason for this approach is that a kli shemelachto lisur is partially designated not to be used and once they are also expensive and fragile then they are completely designated not to be used.<ref>Tosefet Shabbat 310:13</ref> Others hold that muktzeh machmat chisaron kis is relevant to any utensil as long as a person wouldn't move it.<ref>Chazon Ish 43:16. See above for sources.</ref> | |||
===Rules=== | ===Rules=== | ||
# A item that’s Muktzeh Machmat Chisaron Kis can not be moved for any need, for the need of its place or for the need of the object itself. <Ref>S”A 308:1 </ref> | # A item that’s Muktzeh Machmat Chisaron Kis can not be moved for any need, for the need of its place or for the need of the object itself. <Ref>S”A 308:1 </ref> | ||
