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# ''Pas paltar'' according to the Shulchan Aruch and ''pas ba'al habayis'' according to the Rama is permitted only as long as there is no Jewish baker, and then becomes prohibited until the Jewish baker runs out of bread.<ref>Shulchan Aruch Y.D. 112:4</ref> If someone already bought the ''pas paltar'' or ''pas baal habayis'' while it was permitted, and then a Jewish baker came to town, there's a machlokes as to whether the bread already bought becomes prohibited<ref>Between the Rashba Toras Ha-Bayis and Ra"ah in Bedek Habayis, page 185</ref>, but most poskim are lenient.<ref>Shach 112:13 and Chelkas Binhyamin 112:40, as long as the bread was bought while it was permitted</ref>
# ''Pas paltar'' according to the Shulchan Aruch and ''pas ba'al habayis'' according to the Rama is permitted only as long as there is no Jewish baker, and then becomes prohibited until the Jewish baker runs out of bread.<ref>Shulchan Aruch Y.D. 112:4</ref> If someone already bought the ''pas paltar'' or ''pas baal habayis'' while it was permitted, and then a Jewish baker came to town, there's a machlokes as to whether the bread already bought becomes prohibited<ref>Between the Rashba Toras Ha-Bayis and Ra"ah in Bedek Habayis, page 185</ref>, but most poskim are lenient.<ref>Shach 112:13 and Chelkas Binhyamin 112:40, as long as the bread was bought while it was permitted</ref>
# Even if there is ''pas yisroel'' bread, but it is a different kind of bread or a lower quality than the ''pas paltar'', then one is allowed to consider it as if there is no ''pas yisroel'' available if he wants the other type of bread.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 112:5 quoting the Rashba in Toras Habayis and Shach 112:9. </ref>
# Even if there is ''pas yisroel'' bread, but it is a different kind of bread or a lower quality than the ''pas paltar'', then one is allowed to consider it as if there is no ''pas yisroel'' available if he wants the other type of bread.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 112:5 quoting the Rashba in Toras Habayis and Shach 112:9. </ref>
# If the pat yisrael is significantly more expensive than the pat palter some say that it is permitted to buy pat palter, while others disagree.<ref>Based on the language of the Bach and Shulchan Aruch, Chelkas Binyamin 112:51 and 112:18 says that if the ''pas yisroel'' is merely more expensive but is the same quality, it would not be permissible to buy the ''pas paltar''. Footnote 2 on the Meiri to Avodah Zarah 35b "mah she-hutar" leaves the question open. [https://books.google.com/books?id=r_dRDwAAQBAJ Yirchon Haotzer 14 p. 253] quotes Bishul Yisrael p. 17 who cites Rav Elyashiv that even if the pat yisrael is more expensive that isn't sufficient reason to buy pat palter. However, Pitchei Halacha Kashrut p. 57 is lenient.</ref> </ref> Some say that this is not true during ''Aseres Yemei Teshuvah''<ref>Sefer Bishul Yisroel, footnote on pg. 18</ref>
# If the pat yisrael is significantly more expensive than the pat palter some say that it is permitted to buy pat palter, while others disagree.<ref>Based on the language of the Bach and Shulchan Aruch, Chelkas Binyamin 112:51 and 112:18 says that if the ''pas yisroel'' is merely more expensive but is the same quality, it would not be permissible to buy the ''pas paltar''. Footnote 2 on the Meiri to Avodah Zarah 35b "mah she-hutar" leaves the question open. [https://books.google.com/books?id=r_dRDwAAQBAJ Yirchon Haotzer 14 p. 253] quotes Bishul Yisrael p. 17 who cites Rav Elyashiv that even if the pat yisrael is more expensive that isn't sufficient reason to buy pat palter. However, Pitchei Halacha Kashrut p. 57 is lenient.</ref> Some say that this is not true during ''Aseres Yemei Teshuvah''<ref>Sefer Bishul Yisroel, footnote on pg. 18</ref>
# The availability of ''pas yisroel'' depends on whether or not it is obtainable in one's own city, and so even if there's a place to get ''pas yisroel'' just outside the city, one is not required to do so.<ref>Meiri 35b "ve'hinei". Chelkas Binyamin 112:18 indicates that if one lives in a big city and would have to travel four [[mil]] or more to obtain ''pas yisrael'' he might not have to travel that far. Yirchon Haotzer p. 254 quotes the Shevet Hakehati that if there is pat yisrael in the town irrelevant of how far away it is one shouldn't buy pat palter.</ref>
# The availability of ''pas yisroel'' depends on whether or not it is obtainable in one's own city, and so even if there's a place to get ''pas yisroel'' just outside the city, one is not required to do so.<ref>Meiri 35b "ve'hinei". Chelkas Binyamin 112:18 indicates that if one lives in a big city and would have to travel four [[mil]] or more to obtain ''pas yisrael'' he might not have to travel that far. Yirchon Haotzer p. 254 quotes the Shevet Hakehati that if there is pat yisrael in the town irrelevant of how far away it is one shouldn't buy pat palter.</ref>
# Someone who is on the road without ''pas yisroel'' would have to travel a distance<ref>See Chelkas Binyamin Biurim pg. 59 who discusses whether this is measured by distance or by travel time, and see Aruch Hashulchan 112:18, who writes ד' מילין הוא אם צריך לילך לשם אבל כשאין לו דרך לשם או שצריך לחזור לאחוריו אין כאן שיעור ד' מילין [פר"ח סקכ"ח] ומיהו שיעור מיל צריך להמתין [חכ"א] ואין חילוק בכל זה בין דרך טובה לדרך רעועה ובין נוסע בעגלה או רוכב על הסוס או הולך רגלי דחכמים השוו מדותיהם</ref> as far as four [[mil]] before he would be allowed to eat ''pas paltar'' (according to the Shulchan Aruch),<ref>Shulchan Aruch 112:16 and Mishnah Berurah Orach Chayim 603:1</ref> and one does not have to travel in the opposite direction in order to get to ''pas yisroel''.<ref>Pri Chadash 112:28, Darchei Teshuva 112:95</ref>
# Someone who is on the road without ''pas yisroel'' would have to travel a distance<ref>See Chelkas Binyamin Biurim pg. 59 who discusses whether this is measured by distance or by travel time, and see Aruch Hashulchan 112:18, who writes ד' מילין הוא אם צריך לילך לשם אבל כשאין לו דרך לשם או שצריך לחזור לאחוריו אין כאן שיעור ד' מילין [פר"ח סקכ"ח] ומיהו שיעור מיל צריך להמתין [חכ"א] ואין חילוק בכל זה בין דרך טובה לדרך רעועה ובין נוסע בעגלה או רוכב על הסוס או הולך רגלי דחכמים השוו מדותיהם</ref> as far as four [[mil]] before he would be allowed to eat ''pas paltar'' (according to the Shulchan Aruch),<ref>Shulchan Aruch 112:16 and Mishnah Berurah Orach Chayim 603:1</ref> and one does not have to travel in the opposite direction in order to get to ''pas yisroel''.<ref>Pri Chadash 112:28, Darchei Teshuva 112:95</ref>