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# Even though there is always a mitzvah to answer the bracha of a fellow Jew, there is an added reason why a person should answer [[Amen]] when one is listening to a bracha, which is in order to fulfill one's obligation. <ref> Mishna Brurah 213:17, Mishna Brurah 8:15, See Vezot HaBracha pg 362 regarding whether [[answering Amen]] makes it like the person listening said the entire Bracha. </ref> | # Even though there is always a mitzvah to answer the bracha of a fellow Jew, there is an added reason why a person should answer [[Amen]] when one is listening to a bracha, which is in order to fulfill one's obligation. <ref> Mishna Brurah 213:17, Mishna Brurah 8:15, See Vezot HaBracha pg 362 regarding whether [[answering Amen]] makes it like the person listening said the entire Bracha. </ref> | ||
# In order to fulfill one’s obligation the listener must hear the whole bracha starting from the word Baruch. <Ref> Mishna Brurah 213:19, Shaar HaTziyun there mentions that if one did not hear some words, as long as they are not the crucial ones, one is still considered to have fulfilled the obligation by listening. (Shulchan Aruch 214:1 and Mishna Brurah 314:4 specify Baruch, either Hashem or Elokenu, Melech, and HaOlam and the conclusion as the crucial words). </ref> If one did miss part of the bracha some say that one can fill in that part by saying those specific words. <Ref>Vezot HaBracha (pg 362) quoting Halichot Shlomo (Klali [[Brachot]] 11). </ref> | # In order to fulfill one’s obligation the listener must hear the whole bracha starting from the word Baruch. <Ref> Mishna Brurah 213:19, Shaar HaTziyun there mentions that if one did not hear some words, as long as they are not the crucial ones, one is still considered to have fulfilled the obligation by listening. (Shulchan Aruch 214:1 and Mishna Brurah 314:4 specify Baruch, either Hashem or Elokenu, Melech, and HaOlam and the conclusion as the crucial words). </ref> If one did miss part of the bracha some say that one can fill in that part by saying those specific words. <Ref>Vezot HaBracha (pg 362) quoting Halichot Shlomo (Klali [[Brachot]] 11). </ref> | ||
## Some say that if one answered Amen to the bracha even if one missed hearing part of it one fulfilled his obligation, therefore, after the fact one shouldn't recite the bracha again.<ref>Halacha Brurah 213:14 based on Rabbenu Yonah Brachot 35a and others</ref> | |||
# If one was talking while listening to a bracha one has not fulfilled one’s obligation. <ref> Mishna Brurah 167:45. Vezot HaBracha pg 361 writes that it is possible that the Chazon Ish 141:7 who’s explanation of Shomea KeOneh is that the listener joins the bracha by actively listening would disagree. </ref> | # If one was talking while listening to a bracha one has not fulfilled one’s obligation. <ref> Mishna Brurah 167:45. Vezot HaBracha pg 361 writes that it is possible that the Chazon Ish 141:7 who’s explanation of Shomea KeOneh is that the listener joins the bracha by actively listening would disagree. </ref> | ||
# According to the Moroccan custom, even one who is fulfilling a mitzvah via Shomea KeOneh should answer Baruch Hu Uvaruch Shemo to the bracha being said. <ref> Kitzur Shulchan Aruch of Rav Rephael Baruch Toledano, Volume 1, Page 111 </ref> | # According to the Moroccan custom, even one who is fulfilling a mitzvah via Shomea KeOneh should answer Baruch Hu Uvaruch Shemo to the bracha being said. <ref> Kitzur Shulchan Aruch of Rav Rephael Baruch Toledano, Volume 1, Page 111 </ref> | ||
# The one making the bracha must have intent to fulfill the obligation of the one listening and the one listening to the bracha must have intent to fulfill his obligation through listening. <Ref> Mishna Brurah 213:5, 18 </ref> | # The one making the bracha must have intent to fulfill the obligation of the one listening and the one listening to the bracha must have intent to fulfill his obligation through listening. Otherwise one doesn't fulfill one's obligation.<Ref> Mishna Brurah 213:5, 18 </ref> Others argue that after the fact one fulfilled one's obligation.<ref>Halacha Brurah 213 fnt. 10 writes that we're concerned for the opinion that the need for kavana in shomea k'oneh depends on whether mitzvot need kavana in general (Bet Yosef 213:3 based on Rosh Hashana 29a). If so, according to the rishonim that mitzvot don't need kavana or particularly brachot derabbanan don't need kavana one would fulfill the bracha he heard even if he and the one speaking didn't have kavana. Shulchan Aruch Harav 213:4 is also concerned for this opinion as well. See further Chazon Ovadia Brachot 353 and Birkat Hashem 1:4:1.</ref> | ||
# Listening to someone's bracha with Shomea Konah isn't permitted in front of ervah since one couldn't possibly have said it oneself.<ref>Mishna Brurah 75:29</ref> | # Listening to someone's bracha with Shomea Konah isn't permitted in front of ervah since one couldn't possibly have said it oneself.<ref>Mishna Brurah 75:29</ref> | ||
===Brov Am Hadrat Melech=== | ===Brov Am Hadrat Melech=== | ||
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# According to Sephardim one may not fulfill the obligation of someone else in asher yatzer unless one is personally obligated.<ref>Yalkut Yosef 6:11. See also Yabia Omer OC 9:3:2.</ref> | # According to Sephardim one may not fulfill the obligation of someone else in asher yatzer unless one is personally obligated.<ref>Yalkut Yosef 6:11. See also Yabia Omer OC 9:3:2.</ref> | ||
# If one already fulfilled Kiddush or didn't yet fulfill it but isn't going to fulfill it with this Kiddush he can still recite it for another person even if one doesn't eat it there his meal. However, he needs to give the cup to someone else to drink a Reviyit or a majority of it. Yet, if the person who is listening knows how to make Kiddush he should make it himself.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 273:4 writes that only if the person doesn't know how to recite kiddush can someone else make kiddush for them even though he isn't going to fulfill his obligation. The Mishna Brurah 273:20 disagrees and holds that it is only preferable to let the person hearing Kiddush and knows how to recite it to do it himself but after the fact certainly it is effective. Rav Ovadia Yosef in [http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=25473&st=&pgnum=15 Kol Sinai Tevet 5724)] agrees after the fact.</ref> | # If one already fulfilled Kiddush or didn't yet fulfill it but isn't going to fulfill it with this Kiddush he can still recite it for another person even if one doesn't eat it there his meal. However, he needs to give the cup to someone else to drink a Reviyit or a majority of it. Yet, if the person who is listening knows how to make Kiddush he should make it himself.<ref>Shulchan Aruch 273:4 writes that only if the person doesn't know how to recite kiddush can someone else make kiddush for them even though he isn't going to fulfill his obligation. The Mishna Brurah 273:20 disagrees and holds that it is only preferable to let the person hearing Kiddush and knows how to recite it to do it himself but after the fact certainly it is effective. Rav Ovadia Yosef in [http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=25473&st=&pgnum=15 Kol Sinai Tevet 5724)] agrees after the fact.</ref> | ||
# If one didn't yet fulfill his mitzvah but is going to later on he can be motzei others in their mitzvah.<ref>Rif Pesachim 27a, Tur and Shulchan Aruch O.C. 484:1. The Rif says that you can make kiddush and the whole seder for many families either by first having the seder at home and then in everyone else's home or the opposite. The Tur 484:1 and Shulchan Aruch codify this as the halacha. Mishna Brurah 484:9 explains that even if you don't have kavana to be yotzei at the first person's home you can still be motzei the others but then one can't eat there since one didn't yet fulfill kiddush.</ref> | |||
===If One Isn't Currently Obligated=== | ===If One Isn't Currently Obligated=== | ||
