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# One shouldn’t use a strainer to puree or cream a cooked fruit or vegetable since the strainer has a designated purpose of being used to mash. <Ref>Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 6:10 </ref>
# One shouldn’t use a strainer to puree or cream a cooked fruit or vegetable since the strainer has a designated purpose of being used to mash. <Ref>Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 6:10 </ref>
==Foods which don't grow from the ground==
==Foods which don't grow from the ground==
# Foods which don't grow from the ground such as cooked eggs, meat, or fish may be crushed on [[Shabbat]] (not using a utensil designated for crushing) if one plans on eating it that [[Shabbat]]. <ref>Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 6:14, Yalkut Yosef ([[Shabbat]], vol 3, pg 391) </ref>  
# Even though there is an issue of tochen on non-food items as well as food items, foods that do not grow from the ground such as meat, eggs, and cheese are not subject to the prohibition as long as one plans on eating them that Shabbos.<ref> Gemara Shabbos 74b writes that one who grinds firewood into small pieces is chayav for tochen. Rambam Shabbos 7:5 includes metal as a tolada of tochen. The Minchat Chinuch (Musach Hashabbos Tochen 4) concludes based on the Rambam’s example that tochen applies to items which are not gidulei karka, and he adds that this is also the view of the Rashi (74b “Sheva”), who writes that there is a prohibition of tochen for clods of earth. However, the Pri Megadim (Mishbetzot Zahav 321:10) write that both dirt and metal may be considered gidulei karka. Shulchan Aruch Siman 321:9 based on Terumat Hadeshen 56 writes that one may cut cooked meat into very small pieces. Mishna Brura 321:31 explains that this is because it isn’t gidulei karka and therefore the prohibition doesn’t apply. Shemirat Shabbos KeHilchata 6:14 and Yalkut Yosef (Shabbos, vol 3, pg 391) extend this to eggs and cheese. Shoneh Halachot 321:24 quotes the Chazon Ish that one may not be lenient with things that do not grow in the ground unless the intention is to eat them immediately.<br/> </ref>
 
==Grinding for a small child==
==Grinding for a small child==
# One can be lenient to cut a food very small for a small child to eat so long as it’s immediately prior to the meal. <Ref> Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 6:6, Iggeros Moshe OC 4:74, Tochen 2. </ref>
# One can be lenient to cut a food very small for a small child to eat so long as it’s immediately prior to the meal. <Ref> Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 6:6, Iggeros Moshe OC 4:74, Tochen 2. </ref>
# It’s forbidden to mash or squash a fruit or vegetable such as a banana or tomato. If one has to mash a banana for a small child one should do it with a variation such as using the handle of a fork or a spoon. <Ref> Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 6:8 </ref>
# It’s forbidden to mash or squash a fruit or vegetable such as a banana or tomato. If one has to mash a banana for a small child one should do it with a variation such as using the handle of a fork or a spoon. <Ref> Shemirat [[Shabbat]] KeHilchata 6:8 </ref>
==Slicing==
# There is a machloket amongst the poskim if the prohibition applies only if the food is being cut very small in all dimensions or if it even applies if one is slicing in one direction such as an egg or tomato.<ref> Rav Moshe Feinstein (Iggerot Moshe OC 4:74:Tochen 3) writes that slicing foods in one direction isn’t considered tochen because otherwise there would be no limit. Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach (Sh”t Minchat Shlomo 91:13) also rules this way. On the other hand, Ketzot HaShulchan Siman 129 Badei HaShulchan 2 quotes that the Tzemach Tzedek was stringent. Additionally, Orchot Shabbos page 217 chapter 5:footnote 12 writes that Rav Elyashiv was stringent as well.<br/> </ref>


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