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The Kaf HaChaim (199:30), Birkat Hashem (2:6:25), Halacha Berurah (199:13), Yalkut Yosef 199:4 (199:6 in Kitzur Shulchan Aruch), and Piskei Teshuvot (199:5) peh echad say one may only use one Kattan regardless. The Birkat Hasehm quotes many Sepharadi Poskim, such as the Birkei Yosef, Erech HaShulchan (199:2), Kaf HaChaim ibid, Siddur Beit Menuchah, Chessed LeAlaphim, and Yechaved Daat 4:13. | The Kaf HaChaim (199:30), Birkat Hashem (2:6:25), Halacha Berurah (199:13), Yalkut Yosef 199:4 (199:6 in Kitzur Shulchan Aruch), and Piskei Teshuvot (199:5) peh echad say one may only use one Kattan regardless. The Birkat Hasehm quotes many Sepharadi Poskim, such as the Birkei Yosef, Erech HaShulchan (199:2), Kaf HaChaim ibid, Siddur Beit Menuchah, Chessed LeAlaphim, and Yechaved Daat 4:13. | ||
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#If a Sepharadi, Ashkenazi, and Kattan (Sepharadi) eat bread together, they may make a Zimun if the Sepharadi leads. If they're ten total, | #If a Sepharadi, Ashkenazi, and Kattan (Sepharadi) eat bread together, they may make a Zimun if the Sepharadi leads. If they're ten total, consisting of eight Sepharadim, and Ashkenazi, and a Kattan, they Sepharadim may make a Zimun baShem, but the Ashkenazim should answer quietly without Hashem's name in a way that no one will notice the omission.<ref>VeZot HaBeracha (pg. 132) quotes the ruling of R' Chaim Pinchas Sheinberg and Rav Mordechai Eliyahu that if a Sepharadi, Ashkenazi, and Kattan eat together, they may make a Zimun and the Sepharadi should be Mezamen. Moreover, Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach holds that if they're eight Sepharadim, an Askenazi, and a Kattan, one of the Sepharadim should make a Zimun BaShem, but the Ashkenazi should answer quietly without the Shem. This is also the ruling of the Piskei Teshuvot (199:5) and it's quoted in Yalkut Yosef (Heb-Eng) al atar.</ref> | ||
#Three Ketanim who eat together may not make their own Zimun<ref>The Perishah had a Girsa in the Tur that ketanim could make their own Zimun, but the Kaf HaChaim (199:18) points out from Maamar Mordechai (199:2) and Yafeh LeLev (199:2) that the Turim printed from the times of Maran and the Bach did not have that Girsa. Neither did the Rambam or Shulchan Aruch themselves. Rav David Yosef (Halacha Berurah 199:14) says that three ketanim who eat together should not make their own Zimun.</ref> | #Three Ketanim who eat together may not make their own Zimun<ref>The Perishah had a Girsa in the Tur that ketanim could make their own Zimun, but the Kaf HaChaim (199:18) points out from Maamar Mordechai (199:2) and Yafeh LeLev (199:2) that the Turim printed from the times of Maran and the Bach did not have that Girsa. Neither did the Rambam or Shulchan Aruch themselves. Rav David Yosef (Halacha Berurah 199:14) says that three ketanim who eat together should not make their own Zimun.</ref> | ||
#Ashkenazi Ketanim should still answer to a Zimun that they hear according to how much they ate with those bentching.<ref>The Piskei Teshuvot (199:5) says that they should however answer as appropriate to other people's zimunim midin Chinuch with respect to how much they ate with the mevarchim.</ref> | #Ashkenazi Ketanim should still answer to a Zimun that they hear according to how much they ate with those bentching.<ref>The Piskei Teshuvot (199:5) says that they should however answer as appropriate to other people's zimunim midin Chinuch with respect to how much they ate with the mevarchim.</ref> | ||
